Surly World Troller - touring thread

I like spinny gears. Weight is not really a concern so might as well get a triple, would be a shame to find myself running out of gears on the first proper climb.

This is ugly but fits the bill pretty nicely

@greentricky cheers, will read!

@Heldring I think I've read over on CTC that the reason the SON survives so much better, compared to other dynamo hubs, is that they some sort breather hole which reduces the amount of moisture trapped inside.
Good luck btw with the big ride sounds amazing.

I'd always rather have the range than closer spacing but each to their own. I've toured on 50/34 12-28 and although could have done with about 3 extra gears at the bottom I used all the gears at the top multiple times. But then I can't help myself on a descent whatever type of riding I'm doing.

48/32 with 11-36 sounds like a great option, or yeah a triple with lowest granny ring you can find as others have said.

THis looks like an amazing thing to do well done sir...

Yes 36-32 as lowest gear should be low enough. Not so sure how often you would use the 48t ring though...

Hi,

Just came across this awesome thread. As a Ukrainian living in Russia and possessing certain knowledge of Post soviet central Asian countries, I'll make sure I'll read well into your plan and give some feedback if that's ok with you? Other than that, great plan! Looking forward to it unfold

Hi , in my opinion the best gear setup would be a 9 speed deore triple with a 12 - 36 cassette , I would run friction shift with thumbies or dt shifters. Loads of gears , easy to find or repair parts and fairly cheap to buy in the first place. This is based on having done quite a few long tours to the arse end of nowhere !

Thanks all, I think I'm set on the 44/32/22 'expedition' combo. I like spinning, don't see myself pushing a 48 on this bike. Instead the 22t might come in handy sometime.

@scorch Very much appreciated! Interesting to hear what you have to say.

Friction shifting! Will look into it @Georgel Already was set on 9 speed. I think I have thumbies somewhere, but shifters look like they're hard to come by?

Managed to order a 750g piece of 25 mm internal Ryde Andra 40 rim goodness for a normal price. Also got a FH-M785 rear hub. Deore XT, centerlock but newer model and directly available for post, hopefully better. This means the wheel debacle will be almost over. Estimated ~2.6 kg for the whole build. This bike will weigh a fuckton!

Don't worry. You'll probably lose 10kg in body weight over the course of the ride :)

What are you running at the back?

Instead the 22t might come in handy sometime.

More often than you think, actually nice to have a decent range of gears when on the 22t chainring.

Friction shifting! Will look into it @Georgel Already was set on 9 speed. I think I have thumbies somewhere, but shifters look like they're hard to come by?

Difference between 9 and 10 speed is pretty small, IMHO I'd go for the 8 speed drivetrain, less wear and tear in the long term, and stronger too.

Ryde Andra 40

I approved, thicc braking surface will outlast you easily even if you use the v brake for the entire duration.

Be wary that the MTB hubs are not designed to take a loaded touring bike in general, as long you're not going OTT you'll be fine (the only one I can think of is tandem hubs and the Phil Wood touring hubs).

Paul thumbies are the one I meant but they are only suitable for flat bars if not then I imagine you could make a deore group work well with bar end shifters. Friction shift is great it's really useful to never have to worry about indexing or your gears struggling after a few days of grimey weather .

Paul thumbies are the one I meant but they are only suitable for flat bars.

Why not this?

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/gear-shifters/shimano-duraace-9-speed-thumbshifter-set/

or the 7/8 speed set (7 and 8 share cable pull)

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/gear-shifters/shimano-ultegra-78-speed-thumbshifter-set/

£90!!!
What's wrong with trigger shifters?

No switch to friction.

I would carry backup trigger pods, could buy 5 sets for that price... Actually just get some dx thumbies.

Waddayamean? If you mean racks etc. I'm going to use a Tubus Logo Evo that's sitting in my basement, unused. Bags probably Ortlieb Classic Backrollers, Bike24 have their own branded version which goes for €80,- instead of the normal €115,- for the pair.

@edscoble

Difference between 9 and 10 speed is pretty small, IMHO I'd go for the 8 speed drivetrain, less wear and tear in the long term, and stronger too.

This is true but... Shimano 'made' 9 speed the new 8 speed. All 8 speed components are either old or the lowest of the lowest. This shows the downside of the monopoly we, consumers, have given to them. They can do whatever they want, especially in the lower end of the market Shimano simply dominates. On the other hand, 9 speed is now pretty cheap and I think I read that 9 speed components are also readily available in the East.

Ryde Andra 40

Agree, the rim looks very nice in person! Wonder why they didn't put in eyelets though? Mismatched rims, this bike is probably going to be ugly :-)

Be wary that the MTB hubs are not designed to take a loaded touring bike in general, as long you're not going OTT you'll be fine (the only one I can think of is tandem hubs and the Phil Wood touring hubs).

Shimano now have a dedicated trekking range (Txxxx) but the alterations from the mountain range are minor: a chainguard for chainsets, dyno hubs, trickle down shadow for derailleurs etc. I don't really buy it to be honest

@Georgel

I have the Paul thumbie mounts, just no thumbie shifters. Going to use Soma Clarence bars or On-One Mary OS bars. Buttt I think I'll just stick with trigger shifters. I'm pretty apt with setting up my derailleur. The shifters @edscoble posted are unfortunately too expensive when I think of all the other stuff I have to buy.

This brings me to another thing. #Buying so many bike things doesn't really feel good tbh. I hope everything will last. Time to start selling stuff I don't need!

Also, integrated brake/trigger shifter combo or seperate?

If you have Paul Thumbie mounts, you don't need full-on Dura Ace thumbies, just the bar end shifters, shirley?

Those can be had for peanuts second hand (and are brilliant, tbf)

2nd This . Tiagra 9 speed shifters are cheap as chips and very similar to DA.
I have suntour power shifters on my touring bike and they cost me the princely sum of £6

Why not dropbar + bar end shifters?

@TomvanHalen @Georgel could you point me in the right direction? Kinda lost in this

@kjlem Also possible put I do prefer the alt/moustache bars to drops (something with being Dutch) Also road specific disc brakes... meh

Basically these: http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/shimano-dura-ace-7700-9sp-bar-end-shifter-set/rp-prod13648

Or the Ultegra version. You unscrew the lever mechanism from the bar-end mount and put it on the Paul mounts

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/mobile/shimano-tiagra-r400-8sp-down-tube-shifter-set/rp-prod13671?gs=1&gclid=CjwKEAiAvs7CBRC24rao6bGCoiASJABaCt5DLElWWD7GbqCXzsqwzhCNHwPm1JvCO2jRfDmwytXRyxoCGdjw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

These are 8 speed but would work with 9 speed as friction . You can find this kind of stuff in most second hand bike shops or on eBay for cheap . As @TomvanHalen said you just unscrew them and attach them to the Paul mounts .

I agree with what they're saying about cheap bar-end shifters working as well as DA/Ultegra, they just feel a little boxier usually or have a weird plastic bit that falls off anyway and you forget was even there.

Is there a bike jumble anytime soon or does your LBS have an 2nd hand parts bin? I've never bought them new, and never paid more than £20 for a pair (even those were spotless Ultegra 8s)