• if its a fit thing then yeah, parlee or argonaut if you can afford. I don't know what you need fit wise but H2 fit in trek is not race-y but not as upright as roubaix.

    and go etap!

  • and go etap!

    I have a theory on this, because Cyclefit asked too.

    My theory goes like this:

    When a new technology comes along, it is not yet mature and offers a glimpse of the future. You can buy it now, you can taste the future, but it's not "future-proof" as it will evolve most in the first decade or two as innovation discovers and fixes all of the issues.

    The batteries will change (have already changed several times in the past 5 years), the controllers will change, the wired/wireless will change, everything will change.

    At the same time, a new technology is generally replacing an existing old technology, and the old technology has basically stopped innovating. The old tech is the most mature, performant, efficient, and affordable that it ever has been. The old tech is at it's peak, the finest example of that tech ever.

    You can see this in other things... just when bad LCD monitors became available, TVs were cheap and offering 100Hz flawless screens with incredible colour range at stunning prices. Yet the new tech was sexy and so people purchased sub-standard new, even though it was replaced so quickly as the new tech evolved.

    So it is with groupsets right now. The new is incredible, and you can buy a taste of the future now. But it will change and evolve, and I am building a bike for a long time with no anticipation that I'll be changing the groupset ever.

    The top end mechanical groupsets today, are probably the last version of that. They are the most mature those things will ever be. The lightest, the most efficient, the best ergonomics, everything.

    I'm going to buy the very best, and today that is the old tech.

  • fair, in which case

  • The top end mechanical groupsets today, are probably the last version of that. They are the most mature those things will ever be. The lightest, the most efficient, the best ergonomics, everything.

    I'm going to buy the very best, and today that is the old tech.

    9070 is lighter than 9000, shifts faster, shifts under higher load, and allows shifting from multiple different positions on the bike - sprint shifters, pave shifter, lots of options.

    I'd say the electronic scores convincing wins in each of these four areas: "The lightest, the most efficient, the best ergonomics, everything." if you were comparing it to the mechanical stuff.

    Now if you were comparing first gen Di2 with the equivalent mechanical groupset you would possibly have a point - but we've gone past that point, and to buy a mechanical group now is to be deliberately anachronistic.

    Yes the latest generation of mechanical is going to be (unless you listen to hairshirt Campy nutters) the best ever, but it's not "best", it's second rate now that electronic groups have taken centre stage.

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