EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Dunno. Getting married for any other reason than really, really wanting to is a terrible idea.

Unless you need to utilise her tax allowance for your investment income and can readily get her sectioned if the relationship goes south.

keen to shift policy development from the civil service to cabinet committees,

Because of course politicians can replace knowledgeable civil servants...

I suspect that's the problem: knowledge. #noexperts

In my case, dual citizenship is only possible if I marry Le Manfriend. It's not very romantic, no, but we also have our own interests to look after.

The sheer incompetence of the government location EU citizens/having no criminal convictions/not being on benefits/being the mother of a UK citizen might just shield me, but then there's no guarantee of Kafkaesque incompetent fuckery down the line.

The final straw?

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/lego-to-raise-uk-prices-by-5-per-cent-amid-pound-fears-sparked-by-brexit-a3420286.html

That's an acceptable price increase. Also good PR to introduce it after the holiday season.

They missed out on a ton of puns though.

#bricksit

Bremainers must be bricking it after this news.

Brexit eutopia falling to pieces.

I'll lego now.

Thank you and goodnight.

Dunno why we're worried about Brexit. It'll all just click into place. We should keep our hair on. Yes, it is a bit technical, but that shouldn't block it.

but i'm happy with what we've built. I don't want to disassemble it again because it probably won't be as good and I'm concerned some of the important bits will go missing in the process

I just can't get a grip on all this.

Golf is a game for cunts.

#amidoingitrite?

I wonder by the time we finish the brexit negociations if there will be an EU left. I think the EU will have to reform free movement of people or the wheels will actually come off the whole project. Also if the commssion persist in giving the U.K a tough deal to discourage other states from leaving as well I think that will backfire. every attempt for "liberal elite" (I dont like that term it is very divisive) to cling on has resulted in defeat.

I hope I am wrong but I though the vote leave would win since feb and I always felt Trump would win from the start. Italy's vote against constiutional reform was going to happen the moment Renzi made it a resigning affair (it probably would not have gone his way anyway as the italians dont like the idea of centralised power).

Why does freedom of movement need to be reformed?

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Not for me or you but it would be a symbol the EU can change. Th NF in france, 5 star movement in Italy, Alt deutchland, Gert Wilders party are all euroskeptic and anti EU and one of them or all are going to win big in elections next year.

Whether it is freedom of movement or something else meaningful and a big transfer of powers back to member states is pretty much the only way the EU will stay together. The federalist push for every greater union now the UK is leaving will backfire. I would love to see more intergration but not if it risks the existance of the EU. The EU project is great ideal but it has progressed so far and so quick and in such a way as to create a counter movement. If that is not dealt with the wheels will come off. Sometimes you have to take a step back to be able to step forward again. Knowing when to do that is political wisdom, I dont see that in the EU today, I see arrogance and while I did not support brexit and can understand that vote.

I really don't get the big hoo-ha over freedom of movement. Let's be careful what it actually means.

As a Brit, EU freedom of movement allows me a 90 day tourist visa to member countries. Depending on the country, that could be all it entitles me to.

For example, I couldn't travel to Austria or Italy to rent a flat and settle without first proving that I have health insurance, suitable employment lined up, savings and meet a points based entry system. It simply does not mean that I can just flounce to wherever I want in the EU and settle without proving that I will contribute first.

Some countries in EU choose to have more relaxed immigration rules than others. The UK is one that chooses to have relaxed rules.

Non EU immigration is separate. This is commonly points based, including in the UK.

To cut a long story short, governments want immigrants to help solve problems such as ageing population, skills gaps and pension shortfalls but want to have their cake and eat it by also doing nothing to dissuade the public of their view that they are sneaking in to take our jobs.

"liberal elite" (I dont like that term it is idiotic)

ftfy

The Christmas card that Nick Brown (Labour) is sending this year

What I see:

Some EU states are disproportionally poorer
Lowering real incomes of the middle class
People not being happy with the way democracy is run ATM, I'm not going to go the whole "EU is non democratic hog" but again it's on people's minds and need work
People having genuine/non genuine issues with new cultures, either way, it's on the conversation list now and a populist response of "no more immigrants" isn't going to fix that.

If it's arrogant not to be populist, the EU is in a bit of a bind. Because Farage's populism has so far been "off the people" (lel) and also highly destructive.

Not sure Guy Verhofstads vision is right, but yes we do need a new direction. The whole thing falling apart just means you get another boss (like the UK which may now turn into USA lite)

That would be all well and good, but it's isn't like the Labour Party is doing anything to hold the Tory headbangers to account, there just writing them a Blank cheque to do whatever they want.

Labour are set of useless fucks