EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

There's one chart from the Lord Ashcroft polls that tells you everything you need to know regarding your prejudices and stereotypes:

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Feminism as a "force for ill". Jesus.

Who thinks that the internet is a force for ill?

So capitalism is the correct answer?

To be fair, if your exposure to feminism is limited to tumblr or pictures of slutwalks that's an understandable position. A huge number of people haven't had an actual conversation with someone familiar with deeper aspects of feminism.

Most viewpoints can be understood on the assumption that the person in question is an ignorant fucktard.

Yup, that's Hanlon's Razor.

but I thought that feminism was basically "we don't believe women should be treated as second class citizens" which seems pretty acceptable to me.

The underlying principle is acceptable to just about everyone (with a few lunatic exceptions) but, just like any other movement, fallible humans have to implement that principle and not everyone agrees on how to do it.

Nick Cohen sticking the boot into everyone;

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/11/nick-cohen-theresa-may-interview-brexit

This especially rang true;

If we had a quarter-way competent opposition, rather than the detritus of the far left, it would be shouting about how May had barely touched George Osborne’s benefit cuts to working families. It would be warning that Brexit, inflation and declines in productivity will, in the words of the Resolution Foundation, leave the entire bottom third of the income distribution poorer.

It may seem a little trite in the overall scheme of things but it does make me sad as I watch Planet Earth and wonder what will happen as Trump discredits - and most likely reverses - initiatives designed to protect our environment (i.e. I'm referring to the surprisingly strong belief among many as per the chart above that the green movement is a bad thing)

The situation with the Labour party - for whom I might ordinarily be inclined to vote - is so far beyond depressing. I can't really see myself voting for them again while Corbyn is their leader. It would almost feel better to abstain (which is something I would not have thought I would consider doing).

More on the difficulty of the UK and WTO post-Brexit: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/britain-wto-schedule-argentina-spain-brexit-latest-a7468766.html

#wtafigo

http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/12/moors-murderer-ian-brady-says-brexit-judges-must-not-block-the-peoples-vote-6316690/?ito=twitter

yeesh. I'm really starting to go off Ian Brady.

I always seek out his independent and non-biased views on the judiciary.

where is that chart showing the percentages of mass murderers who voted brexit / remain

i bet the majority were brexiteers

I know things are very much up in the air, and I know that the government does not yet have a clear position on the status of EU citizens who are resident in the UK, but I was wondering what sort of documentation the government would be likely to require if they wanted people to prove their residency?

Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but I'm becoming slightly queasy that my GF might struggle to provide sufficient documentation that she has lived in the UK for the last 10 years... She is in the slightly unusual position of living here while working (and being paid) in another EU country, and because we are living with my mum while saving for a house we have no rent/utility bills etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m1EFMoRFvY

If there's going to be a deadline, article 50 is a good bet (the referendum is another good bet, but perhaps less helpful). So try to get a bank account sending statements to your address Asap?

Photos?

From the way you've phrased it, it sounds like your mum is the only resident, so I guess you're in the difficult position of not wanting to do anything to invalidate her single person discount. However, if you are really worried, it might be worth subsidizing that extra cost and getting your GF on some bills and open a proper bank account.

Ultimately this might not make that much difference as from every anecdote British immigration is always a headache.

Also from the what you've written it doesn't actually sound like she has been resident?

She is in the slightly unusual position of living here while working (and being paid) in another EU country

eh?

Also from the what you've written it doesn't actually sound like she has been resident?

I suppose this is partly what I'm asking... how does (or how will) the government define being a resident? From a 'plain English' sense, she absolutely is resident in the UK - she has lived here and considered it her home for the past 10 years, but the reason that I'm concerned is that I don't know exactly what will and will not count as "resident" in legal terms.

Over the course of her time here she has certainly had some levels of documentation (she's been both an undergraduate and a postgraduate student here, she's been employed here both as casual labour and as skilled labour), however the worry is the period of the past 2 years.

We moved in with my mum about 2 years ago, and over the same period her sole employment has been outside the UK. By any normal use of the English language she has still "lived" in the UK throughout this period - She eats, sleeps and drinks here, when she travels abroad it is always on a return ticket, she has bank accounts here, she has a car, a mobile phone and she's occasionally been to the doctors ... If these things count, then there is no problem, but if the definition of "residency" is more stringent and requires her to show utility bills or payslips, or NI contributions for this time then we might struggle. Hence my question about what counts as proof of residency?

eh?

Most of her work is conducted on a computer or online so there is no need for her to be in any particular location. Her employer is happy for her to work from home with frequent Skype meetings with colleagues and occasional visits to the office every couple of months.

At this point it would be hard to guess.

If you've been together 2 years I'd just get married a year or so after art. 50 is triggered, have her apply for residency, then both emigrate from this rotten country.

she has bank accounts here, she has a car, a mobile phone and she's occasionally been to the doctors

All of which should count as official proof of residency.

It's a shame this despicable government don't show genuine leadership and give all existing EU citizens in this country permanent leave to remain now. Instead they are using it as a bargaining position with the EU. Which is an utter folly.

From today's Times, via the Guardian's live politics blog:

Mrs May is keen to shift policy development from the civil service to cabinet committees, making them a more important feature of her style of government. One person involved said: “She will start a meeting and turn to David Davis and ask him to introduce his paper. Everyone chips in, the PM sums up and everyone staggers out saying how difficult it is.”

A senior government figure was critical of the process: “If you could see it you would be depressed by the quality of the contributions in cabinet.

“Philip Hammond is the only one that makes sense. All the rest spent a good deal of time praising the secretary of state for DexEU [Mr Davis, whose department takes the lead in most cabinet committee papers] for his frankly poor quality papers or the Brexiteers saying it’s going to be a success.”

Fills me with confidence. Although it sounds pretty close to how I expected them to be working to be honest.