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Thanks chaps I'm happy with all this posotive new of the fact they are not needed.
The hubs I'm using are Tensile .I will see how the cerated washers grip .I had looked at the Phil wood chrome dome washers but as they have a inner lip so to speak that sits in the trackend I don't see how I can as my rear axle sits in the trackend so there isn't really any room .
Anyway hopefully all will be ok .
Fingers crossed