• gee, i'd say 'vote for me, I'm not a massive hate filled nazi who will burn the country to the ground to prove a point' is a pretty positive message.

  • I know what you mean, but that is still the - vote for me because I am not as bad as that guy.

  • the problem is when the voters are hate filled nazis who are too fucking stupid to see that they are cutting off their noses to spite their faces

    especially when they are so blind to their prejudices that they can't see that when they say "i am not racist/sexist/... but..." it is usually followed by a racist/sexist or similar discriminatory statement

  • This is the problem though: what is supposed to be 'left' or even democratic or moral doesn't exist any more.

    neither Castro who endorsed totalitarian policies and oppressed people, nor the cuddlier Obama who can publicly criticise his human rights legacy whilst holding people without trial and torturing them in the same country.

    Now, apply this to the wider political system and it's truly a bizarre inversion of everything you would have traditionally held to be true-Hilary didn't win because people thought she was too close to Wall St, Trump-a billionaire property magnate who doesn't pay tax-wins, then appoints an ex-Goldman exec who oversaw the crash to his administration. Or Tim Farron the head of a supposedly libertarian party who doesn't believe in gay rights, Cameron, the one nation Tory who oversaw EVEL and then Brexit, Farage who wants UK courts to be sovereign again but organises marches against their decisions, Hollande who promises to protect labour laws but legislates against them, who espouses fraternity but bans the hijab, the list goes on and on.

    Obamacare is a good example of a policy that a pre-war Republican president such as Herbert Hoover would have supported but today is considered Communist by not just the alt-right but mainstream conservatives in the states, and overseeing it is a media system that's viciously protected by lobbyists of every persuasion. I could go on to quote some Debord but what's the point, we're all fucked anyway.

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