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  • It has to lose an argument BTW when somebody's position is based on exploiting irrational tribal senses, xenophobia and other non-rational features of humanity.

    You can't outreason the unreasonable.

    The conversation could be brought back to unemployment, loss of jobs linked with identity (everyone was say a steelworker, the plants are now gone...), city vs towns, underpayment of farming etc etc. But that is what the unions/left are doing, and they don't sell the US VS THEM comfort plaster.

  • The conversation could be brought back to unemployment, loss of jobs linked with identity (everyone was say a steelworker, the plants are now gone...), city vs towns, underpayment of farming etc etc.

    This is exactly right, there needs to be a conversation, with mutual respect from both sides. Farage benefits from a divided country where the level of debate is reduced to trying to ban the expressing of opinions.

    But that is what the unions/left are doing, and they don't sell the US VS THEM comfort plaster.

    Sadly, the left are also often pushing these kind of stupid petitions. There's "dog whistle" from both sides.

    I agree with everything you say about Farage's politics, but cries to ban him increases his maverick status and plays into his hands.

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