US Politics

Awesome, the auntie I wish I had.

A fair question on "garbled response".

Corbyn seems to be trying to associate himself with the popular vote (of protest at economic and political inequality/imbalance) but then goes on to list various things that he likes but in which Trump has little interest (e.g. Trump has spoken against climate change, and has rattled cages rather than promote peace, etc). I don't see that there is any shared ground.

So, it comes across as a party political broadcast on behalf of Corbyn rather than a meaningful position on world affairs, and he then just goes on to include his usual vague ideas, all of which sound great so are easy to support but sadly (and probably always will) lack any real substance.

By contrast, someone like Merkel makes a clear statement, and while also inevitably self-serving to a degree, it does appear to talk about values of a nation rather than untested parochial ideals, and in so doing it speaks to the world stage.

Apart from the Presidency,
watch the US Supreme Court, (one current vacancy, two very elderly 'Liberal' judges),
go waaay to the Right.
So no chance to repeal 'Citizens United' nor reconfirm Womens' reproductive rights, let alone any curbs of gun ownership.

I can't explain it but I've had a huge grin on my face all morning

are you imagining hillary smashing all the breakable things in her house, in between uncontrollable sobbing

Is it fair to say democracy no longer works?

The majority no longer have the foresight for a sustainable future.

lets leave it to old etonians to decide whats best for us
take it out of the hands of the plebs

Turbonegro's Happy Tom visits his cousins in the USA and finds out which way they're gonna vote... And why...

https://youtu.be/JaJOFjxAn3g

Women all over America now live in fear of being randomly grabbed by the pussy

https://www.lfgss.com/comments/13310245/

By a pair of tiny hands...

Amazingly close in some of the states

Wisconsin (10 electoral votes):
Donald Trump: 1,404,376, 47.9%
Hillary Clinton: 1,377,588, 46.9%
Gary Johnson: 106,091, 3.6%
99% reporting

Michigan (16 electoral votes):
Donald Trump: 2,255,356, 47.6 per cent
Hillary Clinton: 2,239,745, 47.3%
Gary Johnson: 171,404, 3.6%
99% reporting

Pennsylvania (20 electoral votes):
Donald Trump: 2,911,986, 48.8%
Hillary Clinton: 2,844,084, 47.7%
Gary Johnson: 142,608, 2.4%
99% reporting

New Hampshire (4 electoral votes):
Donald Trump: 326,286, 47.5%
Hillary Clinton: 325,979, 47.4%
Gary Johnson: 28,659, 4.2%
93% reporting

If you assume that Gary Johnson was some sort of protest vote (i.e. I don't like Trump, but can't bring myself to vote for Clinton, so will opt for Johnson) then he's had a significant influence on the outcome.

(I don't know much about Gary Johnson so that comment may be off the mark.)

Gary Johnson is the idiot who asked what 'a leppo' was when discussing Syria.

Gary Johnson is the Libertarian Party candidate, so his votes would tend to go with Trump rather than Clinton.

Fair enough

that's genius ( a leppo )

I suppose on the plus side, most of the democrats can now get legally stoned for the next 4 years.

a full list of all those that stood last night

http://www.politics1.com/p2016.htm

It is a 'white-lash', essentially older white men who feel threatened by minorities, women and people who are moving in on their historical dominance of society. It's an intrinsically and subconsciously racist vote: support the man who looks and thinks most like them, because they aren't allowed to talk like him or simply that they get scared of groups of people who's skin is a different colour to their's. It's why more rich voters voted for him, because they have the most to lose in a multi-cultural society. Same as the f*cking Brexit crowd, essentially - we need to keep everyone else out so we can maintain our dominance.

After the recession they found that their dominance was already waning because everyone hated them for screwing up our economy, so this is their only way of fighting back - essentially voting in a modern day Hitler.

There isn't a single shred of evidence for anything you've just said here. Keep guessing.

There are 100's of reasons why people would or wouldn't vote for either candidate

They are both incredibly disliked and terrible candidates.

No, not really.

What we can say is that Democracy, now more than ever, is working exactly as designed. Democracy works at it's better when participation is higher. The flaw isn't in the method of determination but in the method of determination. It is the anachronistic method of engaging with that demos, the people, that no longer works.

Unfortunately for us, it is the left wing, those who try and claim the label of progressiveness, that haven't managed to let go of the old politics while the right has allowed a new culture to bleed into their world sufficiently to afford them victory at the time that it counts most.

If you don't like the results of democracy, don't try to claim that it isn't working, get involved and find ways to make it work for you and what you believe in. The right certainly have and now that have all the toys.

I didn't read it that way, I didn't want my comment to come across as "i defend jez to the hilt".

how long before the first trump scandal ?
3-6 month spread

Tomorrow.

I don't know the NYT exit poll methodology but you'd hope they did it around the country wouldn't you. I did just have a meeting with some very senior journalists and we were talking about the vote at the end and they all said how good they thought the NYT exit poll stuff was, so it seems to be well respected.

Also is there a similar bias in the US like where people here would rather not admit they just voted Conservative? I thought in the States people were prouder of whichever way they voted.

Trump's campaign said all along that the polling didn't reflect the reality of their 'movement' and they would mobilise people who didn't show up in the polling to come out and vote Trump. It seems this was right. But whether those people just weren't reached by the polls or were 'quiet' Trump supporters I don't know.

They've literally put everything they have on him out there already so he'll have to do something new.

Tbh, he could make a kitten smoothie every morning on live tv without repercussions.