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  • Or you know, don't drive.

    It isn't about driving or not driving. It's about the emissions of the vehicle. If you have a "lower" emissions vehicle (anything older than 2007 I think) then you're not charged.

    If you have a classic car that, is exempt.

    We had a similar discussion in the motorbike thread. I still can't understand what Marvin's issue with encouraging the use of less polluting vehicles is.

    Of course you can make arguments for not using cars, but this isn't even about that. It's just saying if you want to choose a car that costs society more and contributes more to damaging people's health and shortening their lives then you need to make a contribution for that choice.

  • It isn't about driving or not driving.

    It is definitely about reducing the incentive to drive. The charge needs to be combined with improved infrastructure for public transport and cycling.

    If you have a classic car that, is exempt.

    This issue is part of the consultation, there is a question on the survey as to whether you agree classic cars should be exempt. Fill it in and say no!

  • My used car: £1750, cheap to fix and run. £130 VED
    A non VED vehicle: Costs a lot more to buy and fix
    Sometimes being "greener" isn't economically more attractive.
    This is obv. pure anecdotal but there are reasons people still use "old bangers".

    Li-ion batteries also cost a shitload of CO2 to make and don't last, but that CO2 is generated elsewhere and therefore not calculated in the VED and the buyer does not contribute.

    A new car also costs CO2 to make, and there's a tipping point in CO2 emissions/age of car/miles per year at which a new car may reduce pollution (I am talking petrol here, I don't know about diesel particulates) which is all not calculated in the VED

    TL:DR it's not as simple as "it's more damaging, you pay more".

    But an electric car that is charged on renewables only with a battery that used common materials (zinc air maybe? that's in production atm but not yet in cars) may really be a way forward. If you can afford it ;)

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