• I agree. I'm skeptical of polls - especially ones this close - so I think it's fair to be suspicious. I do think it raises an important issues - that the reality may be that the majority does not want Brexit (and there are a few reasons for this - complacence, personal reasons, administrative). We seem to have some evidence for this. What is more, data seems to show that the trend is going in the direction of remain.

    I think it's fair to say this complicates the repeated claims of "we won!" or "you lost!", and perhaps a better government would attempt to engage with these details. His position is for a second referendum to take place now that more people are aware of the consequences, and one which allows the younger population the opportunity to state their position.

  • Yes definitely, some interesting thoughts on where the vote would have landed had everybody voted. The problem I think is even if the government were willing to engage with these points (rather big 'if') there isn't much concrete for it to grasp onto. It is sadly very easy to rebut a demand for a second referendum - complacency and personal reasons for not voting the first time round aren't enough. I also don't see the 'now that more people are aware of the consequences' argument, as people will simply counter that we haven't even triggered Article 50 yet, so how can we meaningfully discuss consequences.

    I do completely agree that the absolute we won/you lost viewpoint is neither helpful nor arguably accurate. I'm rather at a loss about what to do about it though. I've just got a job abroad and will be emigrating in about 5 months time with my wife and baby which I will be sad about, but I don't feel the love for this place like I used to. Time for some positive adventures!!

  • Yup - definitely not a silver bullet, and certainly rhetorically problematic, but at least the post is engaging with some of the details of the issue.

    I've just got a job abroad and will be emigrating in about 5 months time with my wife and baby which I will be sad about, but I don't feel the love for this place like I used to. Time for some positive adventures!!

    Congrats - I suspect you're not the only one who will be making the move in the coming weeks, months, and years.

    (Ironically, this has made getting a job in my very competitive field a bit easier here...).

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