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Out of curiosity, how can these men be cash cows?

It's not that refugees live the high life, or benefits are so great.

I think he's being facetious

Subtle innit

They're supposed to get work and send it back to their family in Afghanistan presumably, where I guess the pound goes quite a long way. Don't shoot the messenger - it's just what I heard.

No shooting involved...just wondering :)

Pound no longer goes a long way, maybe this is how Brexit will keep out asylum seekers.

Ah... the long game with a little bit of nose cutting to spite face.

If we tank the economy, at least no forrins can benefit from it either.

Clever.

For racist idiots this would count as a genius rationale.

We can't stop migrants trying to get here, but make it so unattractive they no longer bother.

Shit the bed!

let's just assume what you're saying is true, and youre not being a troll. And I know I'm being incredibly simplistic here, and there's a lot of other issues, not least cultural and economic but...

There were 3,460 asylum applications to the UK from Afghanistan in the year ending June 2016, of which 35% were granted (1,211) (source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/august2016)

Let's assume (being generous here) that all of them send £10,000 back to their greedy families in Afghanistan. That means an additional c. £12 million is going out the UK so the tax man is missing out on the 20% VAT on all of that £10k pp meaning he takes a tax hit of £2,400,000 per year additionally from those migrants.

However, they get taxed on those earnings before they receive them. So, in order to send £10,000 back a year I assume they'd have to earn at least £20,000 a year. Which means on £20K a year they pay they'll pay £1,800 income tax and £1,433 in National Insurance. So the 'tax man' makes c. £4,000,000 a year.

So net bonus of £1.6 mill.

Ker ching!

Don't just repeat what you hear

But! Their also stealing those jobs from hard working Brits.

ah sorry I fogots...ban dem allz

The brexiter argument that I've heard several times (actually had it said to me as opposed to read & for the avoidance of doubt this is absolutely not my argument) is that they're not earning that money from employers that report such earnings & so are not paying those taxes.

They are living many to a house/room (so have little out goings) & working labour jobs for cash, paying no income tax & sending a lot of it abroad so it's a loss for the country.

I tried arguing against that in that that's not an immigration problem it's a UK employer problem & lack of law enforcement by the UK agencies which let's the employers get away with it, plus the employer will (probably) have paid tax on their earnings but that argument doesn't seem to get much traction with the people I've spoken to.

fine, then I say the government bank bailout was £500 billion...

I think it's probably more likely that the cuts to frontline services are as a result of that, than Ahmed living with his 10 mates in one room in Croydon and sending what little money he can scrape together back to his family.

also, as far as going to other people's counties, acting like dicks and exploiting their resources goes, historically the english take the crown.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/oct/21/bike-lock-developed-that-makes-thieves-immediately-vomit

Tynans anti theft paste© bought to life!

I'm not trolling, for one. Second, why shouldn't I repeat what I hear? Sure this is anecdotal, but the source is a trusted friend, who wasn't passing judgement by the way - just telling me what his (Indian) friends responsible for these kids told him. He actually spent the day walking in the South Downs with them, and they were continually stoned. He thought they seemed a little 'lost' shall we say - he felt sorry for them.

With regard to the rest, there isn't a fixed sum they'd need to send home, nor were they necessarily being lined up for taxable work. I wasn't making an economic point in any case - more one concerning the fallibility of supposedly well intentioned Foreign Office policy and how it is open to exploitation. Having attended a few meetings on the subject - as a transcribing outsider - I got the impression that this sort of stuff was as much to do with winning building contracts for British firms as it was helping to reconstruct countries torn apart by war.

going to other people's counties, acting like dicks and exploiting their resources

Yeah, I'm going to go to South Yorkshire to drink all their ale and talk loudly into my mobile phone.

^^Teens in weed smoking shocker!

New page fuckeration!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They were 'supposed' to be fleeing persecution, traumatised by war, their lives in danger had they remained in Afghanistan; I was informed they came across like stroppy teenagers getting stoned and giggling behind the bike sheds.

But who cares - the point is, no government offers asylum out of the goodness of its heart: it's because of the need for cheap labour; pressure from others in the international community; as a trade-off for being allowed to medal in foreign affairs in the first instance.

You can medal in foreign affairs now?
Did we get gold?

they came across like stroppy teenagers

What is the appropriate acceptable behaviour for refugees?

I'm sure that there's a chapter in Debretts covering this.

I think they need a very good, british accent learned from an exclusive private school and bags and bags of cash. they need to be very self-deprecating and ache for a return to the days of the empire looking after them.

Ha Ha! Meddle...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meddle

I don't know and I don't care - they told their carers that they'd be sent here for bullshit reasons. I'm not saying this was/is typical. I'm just offering some primary evidence, as opposed to the agenda-driven secondary evidence I might read on-line.

I don't know why I'm getting so many snotty comments. I've no opinion on this one way or another.

Third in the table behind Russia and USA