• The craftsmanship on the best Italian frames surpasses the best of the Dutch I'm afraid. My Champion Mondial is a lovely frame but both my Gios Super Record and my Pinarello Montello are way ahead of it in ride quality. There is an indefinable something that makes a bike a great ride and in my long riding experience it has been Italian frames which have provided this great ride most often. This is my experience and of course, in terms of looks......
    The Dutch frames I like best are Italian made! Also, campagnolo is wonderfully functional, generally very well engineered and, of course, looks great.

  • Comparing bikes is hard. Even the weather can make the feeling different of course. Tires, saddle, handlebar, brake levers. Like a plectrum which can make a guitar sound totally different. Anyway, I'm not going to question your opinion, but which Dutch frames did you ride?

  • Hey guys, at the end of the day there just bikes perhaps you both should keep and ride them, I myself own an 80's gazelle so know a little about how it feels to ride and what its like, Both the 600 and Dura are great groupsets (one looks much nicer in my opinion) but neither where in the minds when this bike was designed but I must say you both chose well anyhow, I'm sure someone would pay more than your both asking so maybe both bikes under priced in the end, as for top Italian frames and their makers its not just about style and looks' its their life, dedication and passion which produce these wonderful machines and as much as I love my Gazelle it doesn't even come close......

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