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The craftsmanship on the best Italian frames surpasses the best of the Dutch I'm afraid. My Champion Mondial is a lovely frame but both my Gios Super Record and my Pinarello Montello are way ahead of it in ride quality. There is an indefinable something that makes a bike a great ride and in my long riding experience it has been Italian frames which have provided this great ride most often. This is my experience and of course, in terms of looks......
The Dutch frames I like best are Italian made! Also, campagnolo is wonderfully functional, generally very well engineered and, of course, looks great.