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andyp in reply to @The_Kindness_of_Trees

Football as harmless fun? It's big business my friend. I knew kids who bet their whole life on it, and when it didn't work out they had nothing to fall back on.

That's a failure of parenting.

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The_Kindness_of_Trees in reply to @andyp

Maybe being keen to join the army is failure of parenting too?

Actually, I'm confused - what's the point?

In any case, those guys' parents may very well have been pushing them to get their qualifications in case it went tits up, and they just didn't listen... maybe.

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