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@TheArchitect and @Smallfurry i have a turbo muin 2 it's very quiet, the TTF issue is that it lacks the inertia of the lemond/neo, and it does feel different to riding on the road, but i do 90% of my training on it and find the power i put out on it translates well onto the road in racing, i don't know if i did my training on the options with more inertia would be better but thats my 2p!