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But that was always assumed to be the case based on satellite photos and witness accounts. Ok, proof is proof but this doesn't really change much. Maybe it will give politicians licence to say stronger things to Putin but what do they think that will achieve?

I'm not questioning the validity of any of this, but Putin clearly gives zero fucks...

Yeah, but I believe these assumptions have been confirmed through further evidence. Phone records, things like that. They've narrowed it down to 100 suspects. Getting that further might take a while...

They'll never find them.

I agree. And Russia's behaviour in Syria indicates the zero-fucks state of affairs.

Are we getting a guaranteed oil supply?

Petrol use>human lives.
Every cyclist knows this.

Where is this going?
Who will end up here?

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/con_camps_fema.htm

Given the numbers of captured/televised state sanctioned executions, the lack of general empathy and with it, de-sensitisation, no interest in criminal prosecution of those directly behind the trigger, I wonder...
It's the next level industrial prison complex.

Bullshit.

FEMA have set these camps up for survivors to shelter in when the Zombie Apocalypse occurs.

Or something like that...

The only solution is more guns, less government, more paranoia, and fewer chemtrails.

Don't forget building the giant ice wall that is Antarctica a little higher.

In all seriousness though, trying to somehow conflate institutional racism with conspiracy theory bullshit nonsense can fuck off.

Russian supplied, not Russian state launched.

There's no way local rebels would have known how to operate a BUK. It's complex and requires a lot of training.

That missile was launched by Russian troops.

It was always a Russian Buk.

I don't understand what part of this is new information...

It's not, a Ukrainian rebel leader told Reuters in July 2014 that they did have BUK missiles:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-commander-exclusive-idUSKBN0FS1V920140723

Realising the implications of what he'd said he then frantically backtracked of course, but he said it.

It's important to have a proper international investigation though.

These weapons weren't being borrowed from Russian bases out of the back door either, they were going with full approval (and a Russian defence ministry stamp):
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-ukraine-crisis-arms-specialreport-idUKKBN0FY0U320140729

That's what they want you to believe.

Unless the Rebels were trained by Russians or ex military.

me no rite so gud

Didn't they have social media pictures from active Russian soldiers inside Ukraine. Odds are that these weapons were manned and used by Russian troops and no rebel came with a half mile of the things.

I don't know who did it. I was just commenting that you can't be sure it was the Russian Military because you don't believe the rebels know how to.

Basically I'm being a picky internet bore...if I wasn't so lazy I'd lookup what kind of fallacy it is then quote it back to everyone so they know how clever I am.

Than I'd shed a tear at how isolated I have become and acknowledge that Fox is probably right anyway and whats the fucking point why do I EVEN BOTHER.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/sep/30/lorries-face-london-ban-plans-improve-safety-cyclists

just cyclists, mind.

Will be interesting to see how that ties in with shed loads of construction trucks for HS2.

Too many peds got killed for them to mentioned I guess.

They'll just need to buy safer lorries.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37516844 I think this is really interesting but I don't understand why the media aren't focusing on the fact the inquiry were taking legal advice from a Master Chef presenter? How did Greg Wallace get away with it?