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  • Referendum or a general election.

    I think Owen Smith is right on this, but he needs to be less blatant about simply trying to reverse the public's decision. The issues around leaving the EU are as complex and varied as those we vote on in a general election, but general elections don't have a simple yes / no outcome. General elections allow everyone to vote for representation of their views, and the result is nuanced, and the winning side have to take the views of the losing side into account. With this referendum, half the country are disenfranchised.

    whatever the "truth" of traingate, Corbyn was clearly trying to spin his train journey. I thought his whole shtick was that he wasn't about spin? I also agree however that the beeb are coming down pretty heavy against him on this, with a certain relish. Disappointing all round.

  • I find it very odd that Owen Smith is being so vehemently anti Brexit. It's like he hasn't twigged that a big proportion of disillusioned Labour voters voted out. But critically, how can he not see people have had enough of politicians ignoring popular opinion and just doing what they want?

    He will be a disaster for Labour. Possibly even more so than Corbyn. I want to cry.

    The Ed Miller Band was on the news this morning backing Owen's suggestion of another referendum. Humphries asked him whether he thought he should have got another go at the general election. Lozzles.

  • Humphries asked him whether he thought he should have got another go at the general election.

    Ha - although with all the electoral laws the Tories seem to have broken... What happened to that news?

  • He will be a disaster for Labour. Possibly even more so than Corbyn. I want to cry.

    I know. I just voted for Smith. It felt like throwing a cup of water at a burning building.

  • Yeah, this is similar to my view. I think Labour has a lot of bridge-building to do to return to political health, and Owen Smith's promise to lose another referendum is not only preaching to the converted, but betrays a complete lack of comprehension regarding the electoral/demographic hole Labour is currently in.

    Corbyn is quite likely to lose the next General election, but Smith and the ilk don't seem to realise the existential threat to the party.

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