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  • Owen Smith calling for second referendum after any deal with the EU is put together. Wasn't that the approach from Boris Johnson?

  • Referendum or a general election. The difference - as you know - is that he's calling for this because he's pro-EU and trying to stop the mess that is Brexit going ahead. Boris Johnson (and others) lied through their teeth then didn't have a plan, so personally I think it's only right that the British public gets an 'Are you sure?' before the nuclear option is triggered.

    It's good to hear this from a Labour leadership contender and a shame we're not hearing anything similar from Corbyn, but then as Smith has pointed out he did call for article 50 to be triggered immediately after the vote so what should we expect.

    Smith has also called on Corbyn to match this commitment. I'm sure he will right, most of his supporters are pro-EU, so why wouldn't he?

  • Referendum or a general election.

    I think Owen Smith is right on this, but he needs to be less blatant about simply trying to reverse the public's decision. The issues around leaving the EU are as complex and varied as those we vote on in a general election, but general elections don't have a simple yes / no outcome. General elections allow everyone to vote for representation of their views, and the result is nuanced, and the winning side have to take the views of the losing side into account. With this referendum, half the country are disenfranchised.

    whatever the "truth" of traingate, Corbyn was clearly trying to spin his train journey. I thought his whole shtick was that he wasn't about spin? I also agree however that the beeb are coming down pretty heavy against him on this, with a certain relish. Disappointing all round.

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