• *also if you're not willing to put in 10 times the effort for better nutrition, what you doing here

    Sorry to rant, but yeah...*

    @Aches - I'm not sure what you were getting at in this statement - better nutrition, as others have said, is about balance, science and fact. Now I will concede that you absolutely are correct about the ecological impact of meat and dairy, which is why I eat meat maybe twice/thrice a week. As for large amounts of dairy - meh, on a daily basis I have milk in tea and coffee, maybe a small amount of cheese. I do drink milk frequently as post-ride recovery, so maybe 3 times a week. The impact of dairy is far less than that of meat, of course.
    As for the ethics of dairy - I grew up next to a farm with a dairy herd. Did you? I used to see how the cows lived, how they were milked, etc. They looked ok to me, had a decent life. Using the term 'raped' for artificial insemination is a little PETA, don't you think? That sort of language doesn't really help anyone.
    My original question - how can we find out FACTS about drinking milk - acknowledged that there's propaganda from both sides, both the dairy industry and the animal rights industry. And most likely, the dairy substitute industry too.
    Now, back to your supposed 10 times the effort you've made - the best you can come up with is fruit smoothies? Seriously mate, you need to go back to smoothie school. By blending the fruit, it breaks it down so much that you might as well be chugging on sugar syrup. Your body takes it in far more rapidly than e.g. biting into an apple, chewing and then digesting in the stomach. Or to put it another way - how often do you sit down and eat 2 apples, a banana and a handful of strawberries in one sitting?
    I feel like you've fallen into the #wellness #eatclean #soblessed trap. You're so concerned with the look of the thing that you've forgotten to look into the actual mechanics of it.

  • My mind wasn't right before, apologies, working 6 nights a week does weird things to your mood...

    Personally i seen some nice farms, seen some dirty ones to, seen even worse footage of places they don't let you see, personally i don't think either is okay, also seen enough to know its not good for you and don't want to contribute to it anymore, so i'm done. you genuinely do start feeling different once you cut out meet and dairy for over a month, i've stopped dissociating with my food and become much more aware of what i eat now, you just get a weird ego boost from it at first but physically i feel to good to go back now

    I do actually eat that much fruit in one sitting most days now, usually more, 2 apples, a banana and a handful of strawberries isn't actually that much

    also smoothies didn't help me lose weight, I've done it by educating my self and slowly changing my diet in the process, happened naturally, why do you assume i'm doing it for vanity?

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