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C'mon-there's heavy then there's heavy. My retro steel Mercian with guards, racks and dynamo is around 11kg. @larsenroad is saying 13kg minus racks. That's beefy for a frame with those delicate looking rear stays.
Adding a couple of kg onto the frame isn't necessary with modern manufacturing and a quick gander suggests it's more down to the spec of the components/wheels. Trek 920's got a far better spec and is lighter (albeit alu and £300 more expensive...) and seems every bit as functional.
Anyway, got a lead for buying a secondhand 920 frameset which is tempting, but still thinking about ogre/salsa.
Need to source some reasonably priced hydros too.
A heavy touring bike?! Whatever next...