Labour Leadership 2016

1) trade unionist eloquently mocks Owen while engaging with his points in a largely serious and helpful manner.

2) non-Crobynite tries to explain why people support Corbyn without once calling them cultists.

3) person claims that we must embrace New Labour, and dismisses the left as brick throwing, anti-Semitic, dictatorship supporting, agitators out to destroy the NHS(?!). Ignores recent history (rise of SNP, coming constituency changes, economic collapse, skepticism of neo-liberalism by even neo-liberal organizations), as well as what New Labour did to the world and to its own base, and concludes:

Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer retro Labour from 20 years ago as my model of what a “social movement” or a political party should look like. I won’t be taking any lectures about socialism from people who are busy destroying, demeaning, diminishing, eroding the only social movement that can ever, and has ever, delivered it in this country: the Labour party.