EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

fuck 'em, we don't need them, either

Didn't England invent Scotland?

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Doesn't the Kingdom of Scotland pre-date the formation of the Kingdom of England?

You know we already have a fully democratic government here right? Which is widely respected around the world because we invented it?

After we stole it from the Greeks.

Along with the Elgin Marbles.

Ah, tricky one that.

England effectively came into being as a single kingdom under the primacy of Alfred the Great. However, the nation of Alba, later to become Scotland remained a coalition of the remainder of the preceding Pictish Kingdoms and that status continued into the 12th century. So from the perspective of an allied nation under the rule of multiple kings then yes. But as an idenifiable single kingdom with a sole ruler then no.

Sadly I think that @mouldy-wart has abandoned their arguments in the face of rational and informed debate. A pity really, despite originating as trolling, there could have been some interesting discussion there.

Alfred claimed to be king of the English (Anglo-Saxon) speaking peoples but most of what he laid claim to was under Viking control until after his death. It was one of his grandkids who first ruled as King of all the lands of the English speaking peoples.

Also, strong correlation with Daneland and those that voted leave.

Danelaw, not that I want to impinge on amateur history hour

The English invented everything, it's a well known fact.

Even the things that were around before the English. As those only became relevant in the context of the English.

The vikings for example, were nothing until they came upon the English, only then did they really come of age.

This is all well known and documented in the book of UKIP.

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BRMexit

Along with the Elgin Marbles.

I daresay you mean the Parthenon Marbles. :)

And Homo Sapiens Idaltu evolved from apes in Ethopia solely to come to England because of the generous benefits system.

Elgin was a Scot.

That's what they were called before Elgin legally liberated them.

Elgin was a Scot.

Thieving bastard.

Was he not referring to a parliamentary democracy

Aye, trolleyed on Buckfast and mistook em for hubcaps.

ok I didn't realise I was addressing the oxford union, rather I am making short statements on a casual forum in which people use the word 'stupid' or 'idiot' for those who disagree with them without providing an eloquent followup of evidence using the Harvard system (please visit previous pages on this thread).

breifly speaking, all the remainers admit that there are (drastic) democratic flaws with the eu, brexit essentially sheds a layer of bureaucracy (of course we will have to adhere to some eu regulations but by no means all) and (thankfully) we have a non-left wing government whose ideology is entirely based upon small government - the demolition of bureaucracy is in itself the decentralisation of power, as it prevents overly-zealous technocrats from intervening in society. One piece of evidence for you to suck on is May's wonderful decision to axe the Department for energy and climate change, dispersing power away from government and from the corporate giants like shell and bp or even people like David Cameron's uncle who use all this cuddly green regulation to their advantage.

You know we already have a fully democratic government here right?

lolwhut?

Gosh, you're a stupid idiot aren't you.

Because due to Brexit you can no longer go to Spain and put all the costs of your demise onto their tax payers?

Expats get care paid for by the NHS. The NHS is entitled to claim some/all(?) of the money back because that's part of EU membership. Super-civilised right? Sadly in practice the NHS can't or doesn't bother :-(

all the remainers

Er, no.