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I don't get why they'd want to pander. They pandered. It didn't work. It's how come Ed Milliband isn't prime minister. The right is better at being right wing.
BUT you can't be above sound bites and frothy engagement or any field of battle or medium that's going to win an election.
Yeah, the left needs to educate and do all the stuff you talk about but it might need a new way to do it. I don't know what Obama did with social media but it seemed to work (not saying he's left wing but we thought he was something new for a while). He also gave that difficult speech where he talked the US through its issues with race (that time after his campaign seemed to be in trouble because his minister friend had a go at white America). He educated but he did it in a pretty media-savvy way.
I don't see Corbyn doing anything like this on immigration or anything else.
You're right, Angela Eagle has nothing. But I have to admit one of the reasons I think that is frothy. She has a terrible voice and she's bloody awful on TV.
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Why? WHY? Why not explain to people your viewpoints and arguments, and stick to your principles? Why should Labour politics always be about pandering to unsavoury ideologies just to hoover up some votes? Is politics only about getting into power? Are there no ideals to strive for? Is making yourself more like the Tories or UKIP the only way to get into government? Why not try and educate people about immigration, about inequalities and excessive executive pay, about animal cruelty of horse racing, and try to raise the level of debate beyond a sound bite or frothy engagement. Corbyn has tried to do those things. Angela Eagle has nothing, absolutely nothing
to offer.