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Why? WHY? Why not explain to people your viewpoints and arguments, and stick to your principles? Why should Labour politics always be about pandering to unsavoury ideologies just to hoover up some votes? Is politics only about getting into power? Are there no ideals to strive for? Is making yourself more like the Tories or UKIP the only way to get into government? Why not try and educate people about immigration, about inequalities and excessive executive pay, about animal cruelty of horse racing, and try to raise the level of debate beyond a sound bite or frothy engagement. Corbyn has tried to do those things. Angela Eagle has nothing, absolutely nothing
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Why? WHY? Why not explain to people your viewpoints and arguments, and stick to your principles? Why should Labour politics always be about pandering to unsavoury ideologies just to hoover up some votes? Is politics only about getting into power? Are there no ideals to strive for? Is making yourself more like the Tories or UKIP the only way to get into government? Why not try and educate people about immigration, about inequalities and excessive executive pay, about animal cruelty of horse racing, and try to raise the level of debate beyond a sound bite or frothy engagement. Corbyn has tried to do those things. Angela Eagle has nothing, absolutely nothing
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Well said though the education should be about the big issue. Why some people have low paid jobs, the inability to buy a house or rent a council house (while we can bail put banks and score up the pound to the tune of billions) and all the other niggles caused by the austerity / national debt myth. Just stating clearly that labour would increase the state offer, tax richer people more and make big companies that exploit people such as mobile phone companies, utilities etc more regulated or nationalised. Oh amd empower works more by reverting some of the anti union legislation. Old school socialism expressed clearly may sweep away the last Blairite conmen and offer a genuine opposition that may be electable
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pandering to unsavoury ideologies
For this, I read "make people feel they are being listened to"
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I don't get why they'd want to pander. They pandered. It didn't work. It's how come Ed Milliband isn't prime minister. The right is better at being right wing.
BUT you can't be above sound bites and frothy engagement or any field of battle or medium that's going to win an election.
Yeah, the left needs to educate and do all the stuff you talk about but it might need a new way to do it. I don't know what Obama did with social media but it seemed to work (not saying he's left wing but we thought he was something new for a while). He also gave that difficult speech where he talked the US through its issues with race (that time after his campaign seemed to be in trouble because his minister friend had a go at white America). He educated but he did it in a pretty media-savvy way.
I don't see Corbyn doing anything like this on immigration or anything else.
You're right, Angela Eagle has nothing. But I have to admit one of the reasons I think that is frothy. She has a terrible voice and she's bloody awful on TV.
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If the labour party read "uneasy about immigration" as "racist" every time, they have lost half the country. More than half. Corbyn and his bubble either don't realise this, or dont care, because they'd rather be in opposition anyway.
The same applies to "voting tory anyway". We need to win over swing voters, not write them off. Writing people off is lazy.