Labour Leadership 2016

Wait. I thought we stopped talking about that.
Fuck. THAT.

oh jesus...

/orders more chips

Yeah I've always wondered what the difference between 'entryism' and 'conversion' is.

If they're supporting your guy, conversion. The other guy, entryism.

I am a 'convert', we are 'converts', they are 'entryists'.

what about people that fucked off to the lib dems after the iraq war and are rejoining because they support corbyn's policies? re-entryists?

This is hilarious.

The cherry is the "getting on for half of the electorate" bit, despite actually showing a clawing back from over half.

What about Polly Toynbee who stood for the SDP as a candidate in 1983?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polly_Toynbee

Looks a bit like that doesn't.

However you spin this, it's a swing back to the left and another win for the 'unelectables'.

Thank you for continuing snippets,
from behind the curtain.

Yes, I second what ^ they said.

The confirmation bias is strong in this thread (not in any way excluding myself from that observation)

(Not a comment on @Bad_Science either - your stuff is genuinely very interesting)

Unfortunately there is also a small, but extremely vocal, minority of Corbyn supporters who are relatively new to the Labour Party and have found themselves promoted within the party over the last few months to back-office positions of relative authority.
For some of them, it has gone to their heads and they dismiss anyone who even mildly disagrees with them as Blairite Scum. Moderate party workers find them very shouty and difficult to work with, complain that the Momentum crowd are unwilling to compromise on anything and eventually give up and move on, leaving holes in the organisation which are filled with more young corbynistas.
Behind the scenes, some of the new SPADs are basically Rik from The Young Ones.

and

There's about 100 new Labour MPs from the 2010 and 2015 elections, who were not put there by Blair's leadership. Most of them agree broadly with Corbyn's politics. Most of them also voted no confidence in him as leader.

I missed this. I think these are good points.

labour success: local candidate
labour failure: jeremy corbyn

rinse, repeat.

This.

Not THAT.
Don't say THAT.

How am I spinning it? Next you'll accuse me of being a Blairite, that seems to be what the Corbynites do.

It doesn't really matter whether it was Corbyn or Jo Sharp (but re: citation needed, do some reading on the campaign). The point is that managing to win back a seat in Bradford in what should be Labour heartlands is not going to win the general election. To do that you need to be winning seats - and hearts and minds - in middle England and the South East.

Yes, any swing leftwards is encouraging, but celebrating small local successes when the national polling is saying that Labour are behind - despite the Tories dragging us into the biggest political and economic crisis since WWII - is ridiculous. Proper fiddling while Rome burns stuff.

complains about being pigeonholed by people they've pigeonholed

^^ sweet strawman, brah.

Who cares what you are - Blairite or Corbynista or snowflake. What you did was give credit to a local candidate for the strength of the results (which may be entirely fair) while pointing out the weakness of the Labour Party for the strength of the right in their "heartland" (despite doing better than they did previously). That is either nonsensical or spinning.

Yes, any swing leftwards is encouraging, but celebrating small local successes when the national polling is saying that Labour are behind - despite the Tories dragging us into the biggest political and economic crisis since WWII - is ridiculous. Proper fiddling while Rome burns stuff.

I think this is a reasonable comment but can you see how polling is disbelieved/brushed aside when all actual results so far contradict it?

I don't think it's really nonsensical to say they are doing better in Bradford but still not well enough, is it?

Isn't it a bit like the Newcastle referendum result (that was remain but by a smaller margin than expected and proved an indicator of wider failure)?

That's why I'm not sure it's anything to celebrate. God knows I'd love to have some good news right now with everything that's going on but I'm really not convinced this a sign of potential wider electoral success for Corbyn.

Sarah Henney's notes from Wednesday's informal Labour Party gathering in New Brighton, Wallasey.

https://twitter.com/SarahHenney/status/753933572264890368

#ProlesGonnaPoll

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Well yes polling has proven somewhat unreliable recently, that's true. Although not wrong by a huge amount, as far as I know.

I don't think it's really nonsensical to say they are doing better in Bradford but still not well enough, is it?

1) You didn't note they were doing better, you said the right was "getting on for half of the electorate" when in reality they were dropping below half of the electorate.

2) You had previously said the results were due to the local candidate, but then seemed to be insinuating this was a failure of Labour in their "heartland."

So either the claimed strength of the right "does not equate to national" failure and "had nothing to do with Corbyn and everything to do with J0 Sharp", what you posted was nonsensical, or you were spinning.

I agree that the result doesn't say Corbyn can lead Labour to electoral victory, but try to be consistent and fair.