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  • I don't think it's really nonsensical to say they are doing better in Bradford but still not well enough, is it?

    Isn't it a bit like the Newcastle referendum result (that was remain but by a smaller margin than expected and proved an indicator of wider failure)?

    That's why I'm not sure it's anything to celebrate. God knows I'd love to have some good news right now with everything that's going on but I'm really not convinced this a sign of potential wider electoral success for Corbyn.

  • I don't think it's really nonsensical to say they are doing better in Bradford but still not well enough, is it?

    1) You didn't note they were doing better, you said the right was "getting on for half of the electorate" when in reality they were dropping below half of the electorate.

    2) You had previously said the results were due to the local candidate, but then seemed to be insinuating this was a failure of Labour in their "heartland."

    So either the claimed strength of the right "does not equate to national" failure and "had nothing to do with Corbyn and everything to do with J0 Sharp", what you posted was nonsensical, or you were spinning.

    I agree that the result doesn't say Corbyn can lead Labour to electoral victory, but try to be consistent and fair.

  • Yeah that's probably fair. I find it difficult to be consistent and fair on this because the whole thing makes me feel very conflicted.

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