Labour Leadership 2016

All is nice and well, but who can lead Labour AND not be slagged off by the media.

If that media bias investigation post (posted here some time ago) is any good, if the new person gets slated by all and sundry again...

It wasn't any good (the media bias 'investigation' post). It left out most of the media, including some of the most popular outlets in the UK. It was just a list of print newspapers, with five of the eight being right wing.

If you do an 'investigation' into media bias against a left wing politician using a short list of mostly right wing outlets then obviously you're going to get that result.

Newspaper circulation figures have gone through the floor in recent years. Do you buy and read one?

Large pinch of salt required, although I'd concede that newspapers still have a disproportionate influence in this country despite their pitiful readerships.

I read it, it also mention the Grauniad being very critical.

It does beg the question how Bliar dealt with all this. Unfortunately politics isn't just about principles but also "how you look".

The Netherlands, where I originate, doesn't have papers are bad as the SCum. Ever out worst isn't even close. If people go online to the website...they still get the bias :)

hnnnnnnnng

A lot of the argument here is that Corbyn has the support of the Labour members.

Is there any indication (not necessarily just with regards to Corbyn) how the labour party members reflect the wider population as a whole? Ultimately, 150,000 labour party members don't really matter they're going to vote for Labour regardless, it's how their selection chimes with the population as a whole.

A lot of the argument here is that Corbyn has the support of the Labour members.

I'm not sure he does. 54% of Labour voters want a new leader before the next election.

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/pm-july-2016-tables.pdf

Seriously though, polls can >>>>>>>

Let me clarify that enraged comment, I'm not sure people are polling properly.

you drinking later, daddio?

Where we meeting, comrades? I'm ready.

i'd say a 'spoons, but fuck that guy and his horrible polo shirts.
/onthread

LSE student bar?

I am so unhappy about this. Spoons in Canary Wharf is my favourite place for a Friday lunch, I can't go there any more.

#thestruggleisreal

**I know a lot of Corbyn supporters and they're largely fairly well-to-do people (by UK standards) who simply want a party that campaigns on socialist principles and takes social justice seriously. None of them - as far as I know - are a secret cabal of infiltrators with some other hidden agenda.***

and I agree with this as a supporter who is largely not 'well-to-do' by any standards.

Unfortunately there is also a small, but extremely vocal, minority of Corbyn supporters who are relatively new to the Labour Party and have found themselves promoted within the party over the last few months to back-office positions of relative authority.
For some of them, it has gone to their heads and they dismiss anyone who even mildly disagrees with them as Blairite Scum. Moderate party workers find them very shouty and difficult to work with, complain that the Momentum crowd are unwilling to compromise on anything and eventually give up and move on, leaving holes in the organisation which are filled with more young corbynistas.
Behind the scenes, some of the new SPADs are basically Rik from The Young Ones.

the current PLP has a loyalty to the ideology and tactics of those who put them in place.

There's about 100 new Labour MPs from the 2010 and 2015 elections, who were not put there by Blair's leadership. Most of them agree broadly with Corbyn's politics. Most of them also voted no confidence in him as leader.

I should qualify that by saying I havent looked at the various lists of names and cross referenced who was elected when and how they went in the confidence vote. Maybe all 40 of those who voted confidence in Corbyn were intake from the last two elections, that still leaves 60-odd who voted against.

I'm wondering why the Times isn't featured

Perhaps the authors didn't want to pay their subscription? :)

They may have seen it as a methodological problem if one paper is behind a paywall, but the others aren't. I assume they didn't buy any of the other papers' paper editions but monitored the web-sites only; perhaps it would have got too expensive to do the study if they'd paid for paper editions and paywall access. Just speculating, I have no idea what the real reason is.

Brighton and Hove district labour party has been suspended by NEC. They're quite pro Corbyn down there, I understand.

https://twitter.com/GregHadfield/status/753682550959341569

http://brightonandhoveindependent.co.uk/brighton-hove-district-labour-party-suspended-nec/

More evidence of Corbyn's unelectability from Bradford last night.

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A Labour win in Bradford does not equate to national success, and anyway this had nothing to do with Corbyn and everything to do with J0 Sharp, a strong local candidate.

10% swing from UKIP but 4.7% more voted Tory and getting on for half of the electorate voted Tory or UKIP - in Bradford, which should be a Labour heartland.

nothing to do with Corbyn and everything to do with J0 Sharp

Citation needed.

In my experience, from my friends since voting age, people walk in and just look for their party's candidate. Barring any negpress you could put any name down and get a similar result. We didn't know who our libdem candidate was when we were teens... He was just "the libdem guy"
Whilst most of my friends probably couldn't name their local MP, they could tell you which party they're affiliated with.

The paper also documents 10 examples of people who have boasted on Twitter about joining Labour to vote for Corbyn while also being members or backers of other parties such as the Greens. These cases are being investigated by Labour’s compliance unit.

Isn't this insane? They should be over the moon that people from other parties are joining them; isn't that how you get to win elections?

Also remember the Guardian is deeply suspect on Corbyn; it has always been a cheerleader for the Labour right/old guard.

After all the hot air over 'entryism' and Labour 'looking into' the pre-leadership-election tidal wave of new members, with some claiming up to 60,000 being excluded from the party, it turned out there were around 3,000 'suspect' new members. Many of whom were rejected for, er, once having been members of the Green party.

They took votes away from UKIP.

labour success: local candidate
labour failure: jeremy corbyn

rinse, repeat.