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• #477
In the context of the Tory party having just dragged us into the biggest political/economic crisis for years I'd say it's more than worrying :(
After the Eton mess they made Labour should be clearing up, not lagging behind in the polls.
The problem is Theresa May exuding stability while Labour implodes makes the Tories look like a better option to - seemingly - most people. Which is incredible.
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• #478
It's not difficult is it?
I'm guessing the general population wants:
Anti austerity
Invest in infrastructure and NHS
Fairer taxation
Collect corporation taxes
Better schools
More equal society
Don't be a cunt"It's the economy, stupid", NHS and immigration*. If you don't win those, you won't get elected.
*post Blair.
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• #479
It's not the economy any more though is it? The Brexit vote showed that. People voted against their own personal economic well being on a point of principle. Within the Brexit polling (beyond Leave or Remain) immigration polled as more important than the economy.
Insane, but that's what happened.
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• #480
It's still the economy. People voted to alleviate the pain they've suffered for years due to economic inequality. They may have got the root cause wrong, having been fed lies by tabloids, but they know what it is they're experienced.
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• #481
May would do well to remember that Gordon Brown was actually rather popular in his first few months. His mistake was in not being brave enough to call an election then. A lot of people, including, oddly, the PLP are talking as if an election is round the corner. Give May a chance to fail, wait and see what Brexit really means, that's the only hope Labour has, regardless of its leader.
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• #482
I remember the Brown Bounce. Those heady days of the greatest economic mind in politics. The saving of the western economy.
He proper turned out to be a dick tho.
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• #483
Unless Labour start aping the Tories again, in which case, what's the point.
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• #484
Those heady days of the greatest economic mind in politics.
"no more boom and bust" That was one of his catchphrases.
It's not the economy any more though is it?
It will now be about who can best manage the economy, post brexit. Theresa May, Jeremy Corbyn, Angela Eagle or another? Who do you think Worcester woman and Mondeo man will vote for?
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• #485
Maybe but when you drilled down into the polls when people were asked what was most important they placed immigration ahead of the economy. You could say that concern about immigration is a proxy for concern about jobs/the economy but that's not what people were actually saying.
I absolutely agree that the result was about relative inequality though, which is an economic concern.
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• #486
remember: corbyn supporters = jew hating fascist vandals.
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• #487
"Moderate" wing.
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• #488
Here's a good/important counter: https://twitter.com/djmgaffneyw4/status/753173143930494976
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• #489
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-36781438 now he's throwing himself in the fray. (Owen Smith)
Nice to see he may give a shit about NI, thoughts?
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• #490
Lynton Crosby has earnt every penny the Tories have paid him,
by getting the rabid right wing press to persuade those who have suffered from 37 years of Trickledown that the enemy is 'Immigration' rather than the policies of successive UK Governments. -
• #491
Keep it classy, Labour Party:
https://twitter.com/WritersofColour/status/753194604602781696
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• #492
Better if it was on the disability cheaper join up route.
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• #493
I'm calling Occam's Razor. The PLP want to destroy the Labour Party. It's the only way to rinse it of Blair's tarnishing and its historical connection to the left.
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• #494
Imagine what this could look like if the PLP hadn't been advertising to the world that Labour is currently unelectable and made up of anti-Semites and fascists.
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• #495
I wish I had more time to look into this, but as of right now, if there was an election, Labour would win more seats with Corbyn than they did with Milliband.
https://twitter.com/SamDoesPolitics/status/753219166853799936
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• #496
But. But. But.
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• #497
And the Tories wouldn't have a majority.
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• #498
^ look out! he's got a brick!
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• #499
In a sane world the PLP would be demanding a General Election before the boundary changes bake-in the Tory majority in England.
Instead we have Alastair Campbell, (and I don't think he has any sort of mandate),
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• #500
Plotters gonna plot.
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She has that very wrong if that is the case. Labour needs to find a way to take the Corbyn supporters with them - especially the young ones - or they're screwed forever.