Labour Leadership 2016

https://twitter.com/marxroadrunner/status/752939096100732928

The PLP need to now come up with a realistic alternative as till now has been we don't like JC but we don't know who we do want. I don't believe Eagle was anything other than sacrificial. Or they're more inept than they appear.

Cannot wait to see eagle lose heavily.

If she even stays in until the vote.

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Laura Kuenssberg reporting that the Labour Party will likely take the decision to court. Unaware that that would mean the Labour Party would be taking itself to court over a decision it made.

How do these people get jobs?

The NEC vote was 18-14, so that's a clear mandate for Corbyn to be on the ballot...

etc, etc...

But I do love that there was a secret ballot of the National Executive Committee as to their individual interpretation of the rules.

Tories at work are absolutely over the moon that Corbyn won that vote. They are already anticipating a landslide victory at the next General Election, and the probable breakup of the Labour Party.

And there's the rub. Corbyn is unelectable in a general election, yet still he stays, putting his interests ahead of the party's. A split seems inevitable, I just wish they'd get on with it.

Is he?

Why?

I'm aware I'm in an echo chamber with my mates. But. I'd like to see the distribution of the labour party members that support him. They can't all be the metropolitan elite.

his interests ahead of the party's.

I don't think I agree with this - even his enemies don't seem to see this as vanity but a legitimate disagreement.

Can anyone explain the membership date cutoff for right to vote thing to me? It doesn't seem to have made either side happy.

Why?

If he is, it is because the PLP made it that way.

I asked one of the old-school labour Peers about it this week, one of the trade union leaders who's ended up in the upper house after a lifetime of being a labour member. His attitude was, "I was a member of the party almost before Corbyn was even born, so why should it be me that has to leave?"

Corbyn is unelectable in a general election

Except he's won every time he's ever stood in a general election.

But I appreciate that doesn't mean much, after all, you can prove anything with facts. Guess work and repeating what you read in the Daily Mail is loads more reliable.

Entitled person says entitled thing shocker.

(I do like your anecdotes, btw).

Ah come on. Facts irrelevant to the issue under debate are barely even facts. He won his seat. We know that. We also know it doesn't have much bearing on whether he can win a general election.

According to May the leader of the party doesn't have any relationship to the general populace. Her mandate comes from her constituents. In fact, in her case, party members didn't even get to vote for her.

This is such a canard. He is MP for Islington North, Gary Glitter could get elected as Labour MP there, just as he could get elected as a Tory MP in Witney. Ken Clarke has been an MP since 1970 but that doesn't say anything about his electability as PM.
Either way it's a long time till the next election. The PLP rushed in to this because they thought Boris would be leader and he would call a general election in a few months. It doesn't look like May will do that so the PLP, and Corbyn, have a long time to see how it works out. I think Corbyn, far from being self-serving, actually would step down if he saw in a year or two that he was making no progress.
If Labour MPs want Corbyn to go because he can't win a general election I can't see how they think a split would make that better - having two Labour parties lose rather than one doesn't look like a success.

Let's see some evidence of the argument he's unelectable then. The only people saying it are the political establishment and the right wing media and they are just saying it because that's what they reckon. Just like they reckoned we wouldn't Brexit.

I'm yet to hear an argument any stronger than 'I know because I've been doing this ages'.

Shit's changing fam. Sam Cooke told me so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQnd5ilKx2Y

Because if Labour is going to win a general election it needs to appeal to a broad section of society, and Corbyn, rightly or wrongly, doesn't. He's a principled man, but his 'new way of politics' is guff, it's his own echo chamber.

Momentum is a 21st century version of Militant, obsessed with the past, not the future and settling old scores, rather than making the party electable.

I think Corbyn, far from being self-serving, actually would step down if he saw in a year or two that he was making no progress.

I agree the shit out of this.

needs to appeal to a broad section of society, and Corbyn, rightly or wrongly, doesn't.

Citation needed.

Me three. Let's give Corbyn (if he wins again) a year or two with the plp's full support first. If he's not making a dent, he'll probably step aside but he (or any elected leader) deserves the chance.

Standing in Islington is a bit different to a lot of other old labour strongholds though.

A lot of the traditional labour voters I know don't rate Corbyn. Whether that is because the press/plp have screwed up his chances or because they don't agree with some of his policies is hard to tell. Unfortunately I think he'll never be able to shake that off, it's too late now.

It's not necessarily his fault but he's too polarising to win now.

Granted, he's in an entitled position, but the point he was was making is that there are people who have been members of the Labour Party since the 1950's who feel that Mr Corbyn has taken over and isn't interested in their point of view.