Labour Leadership 2016

It's not really contentious or over the top at all. I think it's a position in line with most histories of the time and with the Bloody Sunday report.
The IRA was ineffective and understaffed the day before Bloody Sunday. The day after it was doing just fine.
That was a disaster for the civil rights movement and for the whole of Northern Ireland. If I wanted to get contentious I'd say rendering a political struggle a military one was a dream come true for a certain part of the British establishment.

I'm not disagreeing that having people shooting at other people was a massive flash point and drove membership up.
To put all the blame at the feet of those with rifles doesn't look at why they were there, the way they were told to respond, etc etc.

Edit:
I agree with you.
It's a bit, at a stretch maybe/maybe not, like the US situation of using heavily militarized police.

Oh sure. I'm not trying to say it was the bright idea of particular paratroopers to kick the thing off or that they had an overview or anything of the sort. I'm not blaming them for what happened or even for what they did on the day. That's not how history's supposed to work. I wouldn't be mad keen either on blaming people who joined the IRA and did similar stuff thereafter.
It's an entirely separate point but there is still the moment when an individual decides to pop an unarmed civilian or not. Britain has a shitty record on holding its soldiers to account. Every now and then you hear of an American soldier locked up for murder. They do at least seem to have the notion of an idealised G.I. who doesn't do that. Britain won't have a soldier punished for anything that happens on active service.

No, I meant the Para's and mishandling of NI by the government in the early 70s. That created the Provos.

Britain won't have a soldier punished for anything that happens on active service.

Oh yah?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24870699

Although perhaps something of a one-off.

If it's anything like similar cases, there'll be a campaign explaining he was under a lot of stress at the time on account of the war and everything and he'll be released a year or so into his sentence.

The IRA, the official wing, was known as the rusty guns. They had given up or got too old for the armed struggle .

Bloody Sunday and the UK government's handling of Ulster in the 70s, eg Internment, created the provisional IRA etc ...

Yes. I think I'm aware of that.

It's more like she's aiming for those UKIP voters now that Farage is out of the way.

More Eagle car crash TV

I find that really sad.

The question wasn't even very hard to answer--'Jeremy and I are actually quite close in policy. This is not about policy, though, but about leadership, which he just hasn't provided, etc.'--or some such model answer. Plus the apparent substance of that Kinnock 'speech'--that someone he once met on the doorstep thinks Corbyn is weird.

Also, that 'launch' stands out for me mainly for the rubbish handwriting, probably meant to look lively and full of energy, but is actually just a borderline-illegible scrawl. That open 'a' in particular, brrr ...

Weak leadership challengers can only harm Corbyn, though. What are people going to make of a party whose leader is constantly called weak but in which no-one else seems to be qualified to take over?

angela eagle's recommendation appears to be based solely on a moderately well received performance at PMQ's when JC was on his hols.

Against George Osborne, who's a political minnow.

I've never understood why people set such store by 'questions' (whether Mayoral questions in London or PMQs). Is it because they all got into their PPE degree courses because they were steeled in debating societies and want to carry on using some of those skills?

That open 'a' in particular, brrr ...

kerning iz jokez too

Did anyone ever ask her about those web pages?

Do you mean this?

http://angela4labourleader.org/

Also:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/12/legal-letter-to-nec-chief-over-labour-leadership-rules

Was that one of them?

Does no one care that she, independently or not, planned this entire thing? I mean, we all know it was a coup run by incompetents (which bodes well for the future of the party) but let's get her response on the record.

Was that one of them?

The one that I entered was angela4leader.org, which was the one that was discovered originally, I think. It redirected me to this one.

Does no one care that she, independently or not, planned this entire thing? I mean, we all know it was a coup run by incompetents (which bodes well for the future of the party) but let's get her response on the record.

Do you mean her (potential) response that she registered web pages a few days before she officially came out with an announcement about issuing a leadership challenge?

Before the referendum, before Benn was fired, and before she gave her teary-eyed resignation.

I think I missed that it was so early.

There was some article a few days ago that said 'it's all the Fabians' work' (and Angela Eagle is a long-standing Fabian, I think).

Angela Eagle's constituency office has been vandalised and Jeremy Corbyn has had death threats:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/12/corbyn-calls-for-calm-angela-eagle-office-attacked-labour-nec-meeting

I saw this headline and thought Corbyn had finally learned how to play the press smear-game...

This pretty much nails it.

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Ruth Davidson has been nicely taking the piss it seems.

Before politics not only was I a BBC journalist but I single-handedly saved the British banking system during the Barings collapse, piloted Apollo 13 back down to earth. A little-known fact is that I was the original Misha the bear at the 1980 Moscow Olympics, the same year I won Eurovision, which, speaking as a mother…

The anticipation is killing me!

We may soon be in a situation where May is PM without a vote by even the Conservative party, where Corbyn may be ousted despite a recent vote by the Labour party, and everyone argues that the will of the people must be respected in regard to the EU referendum.

Also, Barclays says we're in a recession now.

Corbyn wins the vote.

PLP >>>>>>

The party better work its shit out now. They need to find some way to work together. I don't know what Corbyn is like in private, but the PLP have shown themselves to be completely useless in public.