Labour Leadership 2016

What does everyone think of Kinnock's speech?

What does everyone think of Kinnock's speech?

Was it so good he said it twice?

I think that for Neil Kinnock to criticise someone for being unelectable is like raaaaaaiiiiiiiiiin.

Some of points he makes about some of Labour's history he recounts is worth listening to though. No? Genuinely want to understand. I'm still up in the air about this leadership stuff. I'm pro Corbyn but I feel a lot of this is becoming "It's Corbyn all the way, you're a Blairite if you disagree"

Trouble with Corbyn is that no matter how much support he has amongst the grassroots members, he's spent most of his career inside the house of commons annoying his fellow Labour MPs. Now that he's leader, he's reaping what he sowed, and many of them hate him.
They also hate the people he's surrounded himself with. Particular vitriol is aimed at Seumas Milne, who has been referred to as a "Posh Trot" and who is remembered for sending his children to ballet lessons instead of letting them play with other activist's kids.

Eric Joyce for Labour leader.

Apparently this keeps happening. This is part of what sours the whole Corbyn/ Momentum thing for me.

https://medium.com/@ruthie_dee/no-longer-welcome-in-my-own-home-4672dc7a08a5#.z8thvqk7a

There seems to be a toxicity and defensiveness. Like unless you root for Corbyn you're a traitor and should fuck off. And it's spreading esp as Corbyn turtles and his aides keep everyone away from him.

I fucking hate red Tories and Blairites with passion. I like Corbyn, i'm not sure about his quality as a leader, and i'm up in the air about a lot. But the way a lot of Corbyn supporters are conducting themselves is making me feel a bit sad.

Unfortunately every group has assholes :(

But it's frustrating you always hope people are better than that :)

Sounds like a bit of a... character per Wikipedia :)

Some good bits (principles) some not so good (fighting/expenses)

As Labour tears itself apart. Theresa May's becoming PM and making a play for social justice issues and rips off Milibands 2015 Manifesto.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/11/theresa-may-tory-leadership-pitch-andrea-leadsom

"In a rather audacious parking of the tanks on Labour’s lawn, she plans to pitch herself as a champion of the “left behind”, people struggling financially who voted to leave the EU because they didn’t see how things could get worse."

This will be interesting, if she goes through with this play, my money's on the Tories winning 2020, against whatever underwhelming Tory Lite Labour puts up.

It's almost as if 'ineffective' Corbyn has managed to move the Overton window and drag the tories left.

http://twitter.com/conor_mcnally/status/752468677950337024

I'll believe it when I see it.

Like when she speaks out against the mistreatment of peoppe in g4s detention centres ;)

Perfect time to get back on dat Central American politics.

Hahaha, the Blairites can't even organise a press conference these days.

Seriously, who in the PLP thought it'd be a great idea to announce an announcement two days before the announcement of the announcement? It made it so easy for the Tories to gazump her.

May said quite a few years ago the Tories would not be re-elected if they stayed the 'nasty party'. So I wouldn't credit Corbyn with her leftward shift, personally.

They managed it at the last election thanks to (Sir) Lynton Crosby.

Angela was just on Radio 4 shouting over the top of the interviewer so he couldn't bring up her pro-war, pro-tuition fee voting record.

Wow. Such self-importance. Many lack of respect.

She's going to lose by a landslide but probably still won't accept it or understand.

Oh. My. God.

I listened to her as well.

Seriously? I've only watched a few of the clips people on here posted. I didn't realise what a complete disaster of a politician she was. In what world are these rebel MPs living?

Maybe they can do a Thatcher and get a PR team to sort her out. But honestly, under her leadership the Labour Party is less electable than JC.

I'd need to look at the numbers, but my gut says right now anyone who wants the Torys out needs to seriously considering switching to the Lib Dems.

I think you need to look at your numbers again, how did they get on in the local elections? Who even is Tim Farron?

More Eagle car crash TV: http://www.thecanary.co/2016/07/11/simple-question-andrew-neil-leaves-labour-coups-angela-eagle-floundering/

I like the part (10:30) where she, seemingly with zero self awareness, says indignantly you must respect the outcomes of any democratic process.

The solution to the UKs problems is a unity coalition of the left and centre left, not the lib dems. Despite openly claiming they would not accept the referendum results they've still had fewer members join than labour in the midst of all this infighting.

I accept the overall all point about their size and Farron, but I don't think local elections mean a great deal.

Both Labour and the Conservatives were down, while the Lib Dems were up.

I guess the best you can hope for is that Eagle makes it through, settles and unifies the party over the next 2-3 years until you find someone credible.

+1 to a Unity Coalition.

The problem is you need a face. Any suggestions?