• Good point, I'd probably add that in a closing paragraph. This is a discussion I've had with Brexiteers to point out that I've not yet met a Remainer who hasn't recognised the need for EU reform and hoped that a large Leave minority would make the case for that reform.

  • sure westminster isn't perfect in its current format, but why top that with another imperfect legislative body ie the eu? by leaving and encouraging other nations to leave the eu, we as a population have the opportunity to tackle a wide range of issues at the root and hopefully thereafter reconstruct a more suitable multi-nation cooperative pact for europe. It's not like the eu is the be all and end all, what matters is peaceful and diplomatic cooperation with other nations.

  • we as a population have the opportunity to tackle a wide range of issues at the root.

    Which is in the UK, not the EU.

  • and hopefully thereafter reconstruct a more suitable multi-nation cooperative pact for europe.

    'It's not perfect, so bin it and start from scratch.'? Seriously? That's the stupidest idea I've heard in a long time, and I've been following the American presidential nomination campaigns...

  • reconstruct a more suitable multi-nation cooperative pact for europe.

    Genuinely curious as to what you think would be a more suitable co-operative pact.

    I used to be opposed to essentially anything other than a loose free trade area/free movement area. Over time that has shifted as I have understood more about the importance of harmonisation of regulations.

    Both of those require some sort of political / legislative / judicial body(s).

    I guess now I'm realising where I end up is an EU without industry subsidies (such as agricultural) and without a centralised monetary policy (although I realise once you accept the Euro then you have to have a single monetary policy).

    Edited just to be clear - I don't like the concept of a centralised monetary policy over an area the size of the EU, but struggle to see how you can't have one with a single currency.

  • It would also have been possible to at least try to stage a revolt in the EU as the UK has a lot of power.

    Or try to reign in banks.

    But no. The game has been to blame a lot of UK problems not caused by the eu and then walk off.

    There are some issues like banking regulations and junker. But ironically the eu is more democratic in the voting system and I don't hear much noise about this.

    The UK didn't leave to help the eu. It left for not getting its way.

    Maybe something good will come out of it if other eu countries can capitalise and force a reform.

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