EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

So they're saying they will definitely leave the EU?

Yes

Yet still no-one has invoked article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty and neither May or Leadsom will commit to when they will do it.

British Goverment at its best; let's slow things down and hope no-one notices.

But if I understand what's been in the media correctly, it's not that simple. They (whoever 'they' are) cannot just say yes, doesn't it have to go through both houses to be ratified?

Given the changes in stances of a lot of MP's I'm not sure it's guaranteed to get thru the Commons let alone the Lords (who don't have constituents to worry about).

Private Eye No 1422 08 July 2016
What a carnival of untruths the Tory speeches were.

"This is not a time to quail", cried BoJo - "not a moment for wobbling or self doubt" - five minutes before he quit.

Michael Gove spoke of "unity" before his assassin speech.

Theresa May, having hidden in terror for most of the referendum campaign, claimed she was "tough".

Stephen Crabb said he was the candidate for "humility" - after boasting about his brief cabinet career.

Andrea Leadsom "The richest people in Britain should know they will not be my priority", declared in a private room of the Cinnamon Club Restaurant where a gold rush cocktail costs £400 and basic set menu is £65 per head excluding drinks.

Gavel Basher

It's not speculation if it comes from leaked internal reports/plans.

It is if they say 'might' not 'will'.

But basically this:

until stuff actually happens I think there is a wait and see attitude, with some exceptions. Nobody knows yet and the reality is it will take years to find out.

Tons of brilliant speeches in the Lords on the issue this week, both on the outcome of the referendum and the case for a second referendum. I have a stack of paperwork to get through this weekend so I'm up to speed next week, plus the 150-odd pages of the Chilcott Summary.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2016-07-05/debates/16070548000162/OutcomeOfTheEuropeanUnionReferendum

https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2016-07-06/debates/16070653000128/OutcomeOfTheEuropeanUnionReferendum

https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2016-07-07/debates/16070739000388/BrexitCaseForASecondReferendum

Quote of the week (from a packed field) may be Lord Grocott, seems to sum things up pretty well.

"It should be the simplest of propositions; it should be the simplest of speeches. Parliament decided that the public should make the decision in a referendum. The public have given us that response. Our duty is to respect that and to implement it—end of discussion from where I am standing.

I know that that causes pain and distress to a lot of people who are on the other side of the argument—it would have done whatever had happened. Perhaps I can offer one piece of expertise to the House, which is that I am something of an expert on losing elections. I know what noble Lords are feeling. Having fought eight general elections—won four and lost four—I know that the feelings that you go through are almost exactly the same. When you lose, your opponent lied; your opponent made promises that he could not possibly keep; probably your opponent had more money than you did; and certainly the press were on your opponent’s side. On the four occasions when I won, I am happy to say that it was a triumph of British democracy."

A bit of humour goes a long way.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/09/young-people-referendum-turnout-brexit-twice-as-high

Ian Hislop on Brexit debate

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36742691

Has this been resolved yet?

Brexit: Petition for second EU referendum rejected

The government has rejected an online petition, signed by more than 4.1 million people, calling for a second EU referendum to be held.
An email to those who signed the petition said the prime minister and government had "been clear that this was a once-in-a-generation vote".
It said the decision "must be respected", and "we must now prepare for the process to exit the EU".

Dot gov petitions in "not worth the click" shocker. More at 10.

^
Don't worry "democracy has spoken" ;)

Chatting to remote security guy at work and exchanging jokes. He goes "after Brexit the English football team isn't allowed back anymore...they only want professionals".

Ba-dum-tiss.

They did debate the 35.000 GPB lower earnings rate for USA immigrants/workers after a petition and went "yes, but...yes".

They promise a debate, but not that the debate gets you what you want.

And the debate is 'only' a Westminster Hall debate, not a main chamber debate (unless picked up by on of the opposition parties, and taken as one of their debates).

Government still not understanding the concept of a consultative referendum shocker.

The pound is now more unstable then the Bitcoin.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-pound-sterling-bitcoin-prices-unstable-volatile-exchange-referendum-a7129311.html

thank u 4 ur input proles now get back to the mud factory pls

That is batshit mental.

I've been trading BTC for years, if anybody had told me this would happen I would have laughed myself silly.

TMay v clear just now in her pitch to be PM: no 2nd ref; Brexit will happen no matter what the opposition

'Brexit will happen' is actually a really stupid statement; what kind of Brexit? Does she mean 'European Economic Area' brexit or 'billy no mates UK' brexit? She's been a shitshow at the home office, continually promising the moon on the stick and delivering a paper plate taped to a pencil, but this does seem like one of the few statements she can deliver on, seeing as the rest of the EU now want us to fuck off and stop boning their currency markets.

May could be pm by lunchtime: Rumours Leadsom will drop out today.
When will she push the Article 50 button?

"People surprised at politicians' deliberately imprecise wordings that are open to interpretation. Film at 11."

I think we all now know what type of BREXIT it will be:

EEA with higher contributions, a few less regs in some nothing area "cutting red tape", and some sort of BS notional limits on free movement which we will never be able to utilise and probably be equal to Cameron's renegotiation which regardless will totally fail to achieve anything due to the underlying incompetence of the former home sec, now PM.

Oh and blue passports. Definitely massive blue passports. That way it feels like something has happened.

Amirite?

A blue passport you say? Well, in that case...

I thought we were going to start legalising recreational drugs so we can attract tourists, raise tax revenues and boost exports ( drugs to the EU member states )