EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

To be fair, it's very very slowly coming. More people now identify as "ni" instead of "irish or british". Attitudes on same sex marriage are slowly changing. The greens and socialists who aren't interested in this "themmun" shit gained votes.

Unfortunately too many people don't vote here and quite a few vote for "bed shitting" as KL nicely called it. The DUP is still the biggest party :/

But how many years are we talking about for things to change... 20? 40? 60? 80? And that's assuming the young don't leave en masse cos there's nothing here. Some people just get fedup and leave. Can't blame them!

A lot of this is caused by years of economic and educational inequality.
Not exactly issues high on the brexit agenda. Well on the lexit agenda, but I don't see May giving a flying rats tail.

Both Republic of Ireland and those in Northern Ireland :)

Brain drain? Yes totally, they pay the education and we here reap rewards.

Not very much in the way of solidarity...

In two votes?

One to RI, followed by one for NI?

From what I understand both countries call the poll at the same time. Good Friday agreement has details

So cue lengthy talks first, but esteemed "leader" has already rejected Ni calling one. Current polls dont support a majority supporting joining ROI. Not even 50/50.

Well it's hard to sell change.
Not feeling massive love from Westminster tbh.

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In a way, you've just described a policy so far left-wing and unrealistic that even I don't go there... a form of global communism.

As they say, be realistic, demand the impossible.

Tbf, that isn't a one way street. As was pointed out way back in those thread, we have UK highly trained professionals, scientists, Drs etc etc leaving the UK to work elsewhere for a better standard of living.

Tbh, who can blame them and this is what I don't get by people who voted Brexit due to immigration. They understand and accept and are envious of people leaving the UK to possibly have a higher standard of living and grasp the ideology of that being a positive thing. But can't take that idea and apply it to people coming here. It's as if they're placing their morals and ethics on some sort of pricing / value model....

He's ok he's a Dr, she's ok she's an academic researcher.....he can get too fuck he's a labourer. Isn't that what farmers do at cattle markets?

I think you're viewing this wrong.

I suspect it's about volume.

Drs, researchers, etc... they number in tens, hundreds, thousands at best.

Labourers on the other hand... they number in tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, perhaps even more.

To view it as a value thing is a weird thought and shows misunderstanding. Some of the language used reveals the real perceived issue, "There's too many", "We don't have space", etc.

I also think you're wrong about the quality of life perception. I think some of those who voted Leave love this country, and don't want to leave themselves, they perhaps view it as a way to preserve what it is they love, perhaps even to strengthen those things. They're looking to preserve their own experience of a quality of life, part of which is intrinsically bound to living in the UK.

Whatever the full definition of those things are is subjective... it may not even be based on fact and reality, this may in fact be a twee ideal, a half-imagined idea of a more noble and great country... as if voting Leave would return the UK to a time that never really existed, just like buying a piece of Rapha clothing might make you a suffering and noble hero of a mountain climb in the days of black and white photographed grand tours.

It's a weird failure to empathise that would lead you to conclude that Leavers treat people as livestock... I don't think anyone has done that, and the idea alone is quite abhorrent, it divides people more than it helps bring them together, and it's important to say that the suggestion came from you, you put it on others but it's really your suggestion.

If you can understand why people voted Leave, you stand a chance to really communicate the issues that arise.

It's almost an irrelevance though... we're all going to see that firsthand soon enough. Though I suspect the Leavers will forever claim it would have been worse if we'd Remained.

Of course they'll cherrypick their facts.

We have to wait and see. I predict it's crap for Norn IRE cos of the way Westminster treats us, but hoping to be wrong.

National identity may have played a role but to put it unkindly Britain may not rule the waves anymore ;)

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c7cb82e8-4448-11e6-b22f-79eb4891c97d.html#ixzz4DnfV0MB3

"There were big regional variations — confidence in the north of England fell the most, and in London the least. Around the country, the biggest drop was in households earning between £25,000 and £50,000."

I.e. consumer confidence has dropped more in regions that voted to Leave since the Brexit vote.

Leave voters have dented their own confidence.

I think that there is a big misconception about how much Brexit will hurt the banking sector. London is a global centre, but one of the big things that has helped this is the single market. A firm that is authorised by the FSA is counted as being auhorised in all member states. That disappearing will be a major issue. The threat of that happenning is already a major issue, I know of many firms in the process of moving operations to the mainland.

I know of many firms in the process of moving operations to the mainland.

Names?

the mainland

which means?

Mainland Europe, but you knew that already.

We are still part of Europe, right?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36733464

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Mainland Europe, but you knew that already.

But why omit Ireland, Malta, Cyprus and any other number of islands of member states of the EU?

It's lazy terminology is what it is.

Because, who gives a fuck about those places?

^they see me trolling.

Any chance you can screengrab that article and post here?
(can't afford FT subs...)

Ireland has a shout at attracting finance jobs, especially in the asset management sector. Malta and Cyprus though, you're having a giggle if you think they are serious contenders for mass finance sector relocation.

Im just saying 'the mainland' or even 'mainland Europe' does not cover the intended meaning.

Also 'the mainland' or 'mainland Europe' includes places that are not in the EU such as,
Switzerland, Norway, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Kosovo, Albania, Macedonia, Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus, Russia and Turkey

way to sidetrack a serious debate