• Ultimately... on mass immigration... there are really only 2 options. When you boil it down, go through policies in your head, run through scenarios, and let them play out over time... you're left with this:

    1. You can accept it happens, and figure out how to make it work for you (or the country)
    2. You can pick up a gun and line a border and kill those who cross a line

    I'm not joking on that second one, because if a million people really do turn up at your border and keep walking towards your armed guards... either you don't shoot and they walk past, or you've got to be willing to shoot.

    The modern world isn't willing to shoot.

    Which means the people are coming, people will arrive, they cannot be deported (faster than they arrive), and this issue is here, it's real, it's now.

    So we're at #1. But instead of figuring it out, how does this help us? How do we benefit? Europe and the UK is mostly in a "fuck this shit, no thanks" mode. But really, it's happening, we're not collectively willing to put guns on borders, it is happening.

    We should be looking at ourselves and asking what our weaknesses are, how to use/redirect this new influx of people willing to work and apply themselves such that we can strengthen those weaknesses.

    Our weaknesses in the UK is lack of innovation and growth in the North, an increased pension burden with lower income tax revenue from a post-baby-boomer generation, lots of things.

    And nearly all of our issues have an aspect that can be answered by "massive amount of new, working age, skilled labour".

    And this isn't "they talk all the jobs", growth begets growth, jobs create jobs, more income tax revenue means more investment.

    We're not willing to put guns on borders, we should embrace immigration instead and make it work for the country and us as people in this country.

  • You can accept it happens, and figure out how to make it work for you (or the country)
    You can pick up a gun and line a border and kill those who cross a line

    I'm not joking on that second one, because if a million people really do turn up at your border and keep walking towards your armed guards... either you don't shoot and they walk past, or you've got to be willing to shoot.

    The modern world isn't willing to shoot.

    This isn't quite true. You only need to build a border function that exceeds the collective will of a determined migrant population to overcome it within the ability of the resources available to them.

    As a comparatively remote island nation we have a distinct advantage here. Crossing the Alboran or Aegean Seas in a small boat is one thing, crossing the English Channel is a completely different prospect. So we won't have a million people turning up at our borders because there's a throttle function through assorted fixed points of entry. The necessity for an armed response at border points is basically non existent. It would only require a change in how those points of entry are managed to reduce unauthorised immigration to a negligible level. Guns would only be necessary in circumstances under which we wouldn't normally be willing to use guns/lethal force in a law enforcement scenario.

    I do agree with you on how we should approach immigration. However, we could isolate ourselves pretty easily without resorting to drawing a line in the sand.

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