EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

"Britain's resurgence"

Aside from all other issues with this, a fuck NI from the Scum.
[part of UK but not GB]

Thought this was a good summary of where we are.

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Leave voters have been being screwed for decades now. Not sure why they'd stop now.

Like the Venn diagram, but i think the EEA deal is in the wrong place. My understanding is that it would be acceptable to EU27, but all of the tory candidates rule it out BECAUSE IMMIGRANTS

It does put the Leavers in one group

Hate immigrants: Leave the EEC and build a big wall
Just don't like the EU cos it's undemocratic/whatever other stuff: EEC might be ok
Don't like EEC rules on trading: Must leave EEC
Get screwed by lack of investment: Need different gov...

feels like pretty solid logic to me.

How long before the remainers experience their remorse at, trying and failing to, maintain the tyrannical status quo of inequality and EU technocracy?

What a name.

Wish I was called Vernon Bogdanor.

What's the democratic change and equality Brexit promises?

EU technocracy?

What does this even mean? And what is wrong with 'technocracy'? Would you prefer ideology?

Vernon Bogdanor was David Cameron's tutor at Brasenose. I'm not sure he should be piping up.

Lastly - can we skewer this notion that everyone who voted for Brexit were somehow poor and down trodden? This was a middle class vote as much as anything.

Article 50 + 2 years + another 2 years just to let stuff bed in.

"tyrannical status quo of inequality and EU technocracy"

How exactly does the EU maintain inequality, in the UK, over what the current UK government does?

I've already had two valued staff quit because they're not sure they'll be allowed to stay in the country. They're moving to companies that have more offices in the EU. It's a bit shit.

Good point.

I keep meaning to ask when we're having a general election. Now we're a democracy again we surely can't have an unelected head of state.

Oh and on that head of state thing, when are we separating out the PM's powers and getting rid of the Royal Prerogative so he/she doesn't have the effective power of a PM and president roled into one?

(obvs taking it as a given we get rid of the monarchy when the Queen passes)

In all seriousness though, if we are going to have to start doing all this constitutional work over the next 5 years we may as well go ahead and undertake a total systemic overhall.

You don't elect the PM, you elect an MP. The leader of whichever party has the majority, or can form a government, becomes the PM. Under a PR system which many people favour you would be even less sure of who would be PM or in a cabinet.

So you're saying even with an election the de facto head of state is unelected?

Well, you could have a (highly unlikely) situation where a party wins a majority but its leader loses their seat. The majority party would then have to select a 'new' PM.

Sorry I was taking the piss.

I guess I struggle with the argument that the EU is somehow more technocratic or less representative than our system.

JWestland may have seen this earlier:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-leads-tory-rebellion-commons-over-postbrexit-rights-of-ukbased-eu-nationals-a3289931.html

If you allow free movement of people between countries that have vastly different standards of pay and welfare then the people of the poorer countries will migrate to the richer countries and depress the salaries in that country until such time as there is parity across Europe.

This will be suffered hardest by the low-skilled, low-paid of the richer countries - our working class.

The ultimate effect is a rise in inequality as a result of EU migration which is unable to do anything to fix it because it's a technocracy and is resolutely committed to the 4 freedoms, one of which is hugely detremental.