EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

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  • Nice the UK has a good brand but:

    "G4S, a London-based security giant, is the largest of its type in the world. Other “diversified” service companies such as Serco, Interserve and Capita—providing everything from waste collection and call centres to prisons and air-traffic control systems—increasingly operate overseas. Serco runs Dubai’s metro. Britain’s vast defence sector sells all sorts of equipment and kit to foreign governments and security forces."

    Warmongering, sheer incompetence [cRapita as theregister calls them] and offshore outsourcing of work [crapita again and others] low wages for most, anti-immigration sentiments, dodgy donations [g4s, see private eye], study immigration from rich families, NHS being dismantled here, trading on a reputation that may go to tatters if the current downturn continues ...yes exactly what most in the UK need :)

    The Economist can be spot on, but some articles are really written from a position of disregard for the median person. However if this brand can be leveraged for the good of most of us, why not?

  • Pretty typical Economist puff piece,
    Britain plc becoming the 'Wimbledon' of the world.

  • Britain plc becoming the 'Wimbledon' of the world.

    Moving the capital to Milton Keynes?

  • Moving the capital to Milton Keynes?

    Not, I feel, the worst suggestion in the world.

  • I'm working in a hit n miss signal area...

    A quick google scholar or other database will fetch up loads....

    http://peacechild.org/not-neat-to-be-neet/

  • Maybe,
    but pre-Andy Murray,
    a description of the UK's ability to set up a management system to organise an event,
    but never successfully participate in said event.
    Privatisation being the obvious example, with power, water and rail now 'supplied' by foreign owned companies.

  • Can we have WTAFIGO added to the title until we know WTAFIGO?

  • Interesting site. Looking for solutions :)

    Doesn't detract from the issues with youth unemployment though :p

  • It was all part of a ploy to indebt people once they got a mortgage they could not go out on strike as easily. If you live in.a council house it's much easier, they are not going to throw u out. All to break the unions, and in slave people with debt then you've got them by the balls. The idea of saving for something like a car is lost on newer generations credit cards and finance is how they buy stuff. Student loans and mortgages means debt till retirement. Job done Maggie.

  • Maybe it was not just that, but also a way to build up a economic assets value for the UK based on house ownership.

    Well, that worked well in the end...

  • Does anyone understand what just happened? I don't mean understand as in 'agree with', I mean understand as in 'make sense of'.

    Also, from the articles I've skimmed trough there's no details on how long he intends to continue to draw an MEP salary.

  • Farage has been quite clear that although he has stepped down as Party Leader, he's not stepping down as an MEP. So I'd guess he'll keep on drawing that salary (and pension, and expenses) until either we withdraw from the EU, or he's no longer voted in.

    What does happen with regards to MEPs pensions if we withdraw? Do they get handed back to us to pay?

  • After Article 50 is enacted expect above to be 'negotiated' for weeks, with an unlimited budget for legal advice. Expect any workers rights currently enshrined only in EU legislation or the 'hard border' between NI and Eire to be signed away in a heartbeat.

  • A hard border would a total disaster for us down here. But also the only way to stop "them bloody EU immigrants come over here, stealing our jobs" (weary sarcasm) O_O

  • As I've stated elsewhere, disadvantaged kids have more opportunities now than then

    The blog post you linked to doesn't, in any way, prove your assertion.

    But as pointed out by prole, we are now post fact and proof, statistics, evidence and experts don't matter. No one wanted to work for you and the place stank of skunk therefore it is the fault of lazy kids who have it better than you ever did.

    As we all know, the feckless yooth of today can't buy a house because they spend all their money on smartphones and plasma TVs.

    And the immigrants did it...

    Hooray for the ignorant.

  • 'hard border' which is why the duplicitous Leave campaign, in all its shades,
    and the especially mendacious Secretary of State for Northen Ireland Theresa Villiers,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresa_Villiers
    should burn in their own hell, for eternity, for refusing to answer this,
    for NI & Eire most important implication about brexit.

  • < tinfoil hat >
    With Farage out of the way, incidentally after hanging out with Murdoch, the Conservatives can put May in charge and start back pedaling with a greatly reduced political risk, UKIP are not the same threat without him. With a few years to patch over the cracks created by going against the result (with Murdochs help) we'll be staying in Europe and are safe from UKIP making up significant ground at the next GE.
    < /tinfoil hat >

  • Erm, not sure what rants about. It wasn't just me the NEETS didn't want to work for. And what's wrong with anecdotal evidence? The Francis report demonstrated that anecdotal evidence and people's experiences can be equal too and sometimes more useful than statistical evidence.

  • Villiers, another oxygen thief.

    Now Osborne suggests GB may cut corporation tax under the new lowered NI rate, so the race to the bottom can begin.

    Feck this, if ROI sorts out their catholic schools and ridiculous abortion ban and can afford us, it might be better to join with them in the long run. If they love us enough to cough up the bill and taxes. Perhaps the EU can help, who knows...

    Unfortunately the Dail is full of incompetent gombeens. But at least they don't intentionally try to destroy NI O_o

  • https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/182022/DFE-RR065.pdf

    https://www.jrf.org.uk/sites/default/files/jrf/migrated/files/2123.pdf

    Both identify early on that apathy is indeed a barrier for both NEETS and young people from disadvantaged backgrounds to progress in society.

  • if ROI sorts out their catholic schools and ridiculous abortion ban and can afford us

    Wont happen x 3

  • The Francis report demonstrated that anecdotal evidence and people's experiences can be equal too and sometimes more useful than statistical evidence.

    Did it? Really? do you have a link to the discussion of this any where? Could you dissect the report to show this to be true?

    I haven't read the report but I'm guessing it used anecdotal evidence. I'd suggest that this was because there was either a) the anecdotes were collected together to form evidence, b) not the measures in place to produce proper statistics, c) there was a big cover up

    Anecdotes can be useful to build a hypothesis to test. In a 'x happened to me today, I wonder if it will happens to everyone else?' way, you then go and ask everyone else (or a sample of everyone else) and record who x happened to and who it didn't. You then report those numbers. These are statistics. i.e. If you collect enough anecdotes its becomes evidence and you would summarise this evidence using statistics.

    Using anecdotal evidence is pretty much akin to saying 'x happened to me today, therefore x happens to everyone else'.

  • a cyclist cut me up today. they're all cunts, they should be licensed and tested.

    etc.

    #anecdata

  • Didn't say there wasn't apathy, I asked you to provide evidence of this...

    disadvantaged kids have more opportunities now than then

    I honestly don't know if they do or not. I jumped on you because you dived head first into the fallacy of "I have experienced x therefore the x is true for everyone else" and got into the lazy 'kids never had it so good' mindset.

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