EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

That's just bollocks. Social mobility has steadily declined since the 1970s, which is exactly what you'd expect with rising inequality. How can you be arguing about politics while being plain wrong about the biggest problem in society? Dozens of sources, start here... https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/may/22/social-mobility-data-charts

I read that thanks. It just shows stats and not what opportunities are available. I was born near the 70's and I now have far more opportunities than I did when I left school. As I've stated elsewhere, disadvantaged kids have more opportunities now than then - what stats don't show is the apathy people have towards wanting to be socially mobile.

Opportunities for the mature factory worker is no different to the young. They apply just like anyone else, maybe the factory worker will have to complete a foundation year which is HE and free in our area at local colleges.

Srsly? Rags to riches is easier than ever but folk in rags can't be arsed? You honestly believe that?

Yep, in my area the apathy is just plain to see. When I had my two businesses post 2008 - both tradesman based (but sadly completely dependent on stable housing market), I struggled to even employ apprentices despite paying over the odds and living / working in an area of massive NEETS epidemic. A dedicated technical college that opened 3 years ago funded by Prince Charlie's charities and local private sector engineering companies (my area is a traditional aerospace strong hold and are struggling to find duckboard engineers) and cost £2 million, has announced it'll shut because they could only fill about 20% (iirc) of the 300 FREE vocational places entirely dedicated to supplying high quality staff to local and national firms for good wages and prospects.
What else could explain the excellent opportunities available with no takers?

Edit: I've also noticed the massive increase in skunk smoking in my local area, quite often it smells so strong it makes my eyes water..dunno if that's owt to do with it or just coincidence.

Ha true. Next doors car alarm just woke me up and now I'm paranoid we've burglars in the area again.

In regards to big businesses milking this country and not paying taxes, will Brexit change this? I don't remember it being being put forward in either camps.
I hope so, they seem to get away with significant amounts of our cash.

in these times of austerity and pain
osbourne looks to lower tax on companies and looks to increase tax on us citizens

yay

That's what Malcolm Turnbull pitched to the electorate here, AU$60bn in tax cuts for big business, introduction of higher GST (VAT) and privatisation of Medicare, the Aussie equivalent of the NHS... Staggering that people voted for him, dickheads the lot of them...

And they have Pauline Hanson winning seats to make up for the lack of Farage.

In the state I'm living in no less... She was complaining about Asian and Muslim immigration just today... And a ban on the building of mosques...

Quite incredible... It is Queensland tho', lots of seriously crazy folk here... Rednecks everywhere...

Only if the right Labour / Greens go in power for a longish time.

Strange people didn't take the opportunities you mention. Bad parenting? Poor advertising? Depression?

It just shows stats and not what opportunities are available.
was born near the 70's and I now have far more opportunities than I did when I left school. As I've stated elsewhere, disadvantaged kids have more opportunities now than then - what stats don't show is the apathy people have towards wanting to be socially mobile.

Do you have any evidence of your statements apart from the anecdote about no one wanting to work for you?

"Quexit"

We're in a post-factual democracy these days, no corroboration required.

Good riddance to the cunt but another spineless coward

#WTAFIGO

Farage, you complete utter cunt.

http://www.neweconomics.org/blog/entry/inequality-in-the-uk-whatever-happened-to-social-mobility

CSB: A councilor I spoke to said substance abuse and deaths due to it in poor areas in Belfast is a much bigger problem than in rich areas. So what's going on? Was it the poverty, hopelessness, parents that never made anything of themselves and being looked down upon as a chav first, or the drugs? Answers on a postcard.

Do we need a new thread for the ukip leadership elections?

Farage, Boris, Cameron.

Bigger boys did it and ran away.

Updated title... this one can roll on.

A bit late to the party, but thought I'd just post this in relation to the chat about service industry Vs manufacturing and potential exports.

The Economist | Bagehot: Whitehall, Inc. http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21701228-its-politicians-its-public-services-britains-state-booming-international?frsc=dg%7Cd

WTAFIGO!