Labour Leadership 2016

Corbyn was elected leader on a clear manifesto,
'Tory Austerity' was just the next spoonful of trickledown for PAYE wage slaves.

The three sides of the Toblerone he decisively beat were varying degrees of Austerity-lite.

What is the manifesto of the PLP?, whoever they set up as the would-be leader?
I see no sign that we will get any indication of the programme to be espoused by the PLP,
which is why they want him to resign. Buyer beware!

Labour could be heading for a split. We could end up with Mr Corbyn being the leader of a Labour party with massive membership but a handful of MPs, and a much larger coalition of independent Labour MPs.

So the PLP can take the ground left by the Libdems and Jezza et al. can be 'real' Labour.
I hope to fuck the Judean peoples front are waiting in the wings somewhere.

Labour Peoples Front
Peoples Front of Labour
Popular Labour Alliance
etc

Aren't some of the PLP actually sponsored by the CoOp?

Corbyn's doomed, he even mis-spells his own name on Twatter. This shows that you need Oxbridge-educated politicos for the job.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/jeremy-corbyn-mocked-on-twitter-for-spelling-his-own-name-wrong-a3285371.html

Really, can he do anything right?

I think he should start cross dressing publically. He needs a 'narrative'.
And a book,
"Jezza: my struggle with ill-fitting undergarments"
Seriously, it would properly deflate his detractors.

That would be epic. Going out with a bang.

I suppose the question is what the "easy picks" are for Labour. The Median incomes are always the biggest group, that do they not like about the Tories for example...

And if they really don't like Corbyn, cha it's over. Again I like the man, but they have to pick the battles. Or you can go full idealist, which worked for the socialists here but they still have just 2 seats and the greens just 2...in a house with 108 seats and Single Transferable Vote (STV).

Don't see what working shortterm in FPTP England...

I find the whole situation depressing. For my own sanity it might be best to stick my head back in the sand.. Maybe I need a football team to support or something.

https://www.theguardian.com/membership/2016/jul/02/angela-eagle-anger-rises-in-her-wallasey-constituency-corbyn-labour?CMP=twt_gu

https://www.byline.com/column/11/article/1132

I sort of agree with this but the party's fucked either way now.

The problem is, UK Labour Party is the only political Labour movement in Europe that hasn't split permanently into two factions

Except when it did in 1981.

And at that point one of the breakaway's main problems with labour was the party policy to leave the EEC.

How things have changed.

The hard left is also for leaving the EEC.

Principles or being practical for labour?

A I remember it, Bob Crow, (now deceased leader of the Rail workers union,
arguably the 'strongest' UK union),
was resolutely against the EU, as he saw it ushering in TTIP,
but this was before 'the French' declared they would not support any EU proposals to introduce TTIP.

Yes, try reminding brextards they have enacted one of the key points of the '83 Michael Foot general election manifesto, ('Longest suicide note in History' Gerald 'grapefruit bowls' Kauffman,
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/kaufmans-220-grapefruit-bowls-601204

and they can only point out that the EEC =/= EU.

BBCR5L
Labour's John McDonnell listing all the real elections Corbyn Labour have won.
John Pienaar swiftly moves the conversation onto Chilcott.

The EU won't change much I fear. But the left is delusional if they think the UK will vote hard left.

A progressive alliance taking voters that are "easy picks" and are in median income groups or whatever group swings the vote (and maybe Corbyn must go for that...) may work?

Alternatively keep going but it's another 4 years of Tories then.

John Pienaar swiftly moves the conversation onto Chilcott.

This crying of bias at the BBC gets more laughable by the day. Someone on twitter just told me Murdoch and the BBC were responsible for Brexit... Pienaar is consistently tough on everyone he interviews, and McDonnell still had the chance to get his points accross very clearly.

.

Pienaar is in mourning, as his man-crush on de Pfeiffel has (currently) come to nothing.

Saturday 25th June,
Corbyn starts his well publicised speech.
As it turns out not to be the PLP-hoped for resignation speech,
but the reasoned explanation of how Trickledown/Austerity is the source of people's despair not the EU, BBCR5L breaks off, for tweets and emails from Jo Nobody and news'n'sport.

No Apologies from the presenter, not return to the speech, nor to it's content.

de Pfeiffel

His second middle name is actually 'de Pfeffel' and not 'de Pfeiffel'.

Other than that, I can't fault your perception of him. :)

So it is!
The Guardian is littered with my spelling mistake.
Aging eyes & a tin ear for German vowel sounds meant I never thought to check.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/05/tony-blair-godfather-murdoch-daughter

i have a feeling this type of thing, not jeremy corbyn, screwed up the labour party, the disconnect with the voter really started in this era
many commentators saying corbyn will stay until the chilcott report is released so he can have a good and proper dig at bliar before quitting

good luck to him i say

anyone read this?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/corbyn-keeps-watson-arms-length

A senior Labour source, close to the embattled leader, said they had blocked Watson from talking privately to Corbyn because they have a “duty of care”. “They [Watson’s aides] want Watson to be on his own with Corbyn so that he can jab his finger at him,” the source said.

“We are not letting that happen. He’s a 70-year-old [sic] man. We have a duty of care … This is not a one-off. There is a culture of bullying. Maybe it’s a Blairite/Brownite thing.”

anyone know if these quotes are true? If so, wtf? His own aids don't think he can stand up to Tom Watson.

One of the New Statesman podcasts, (156), states rather ominously that Tom Watson never loses a PLP discussion.