EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

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  • The threat encoded in Sarah Vine's 'accidental' communique yesterday was 'run for the leadership and the long list of misdemeanours in your personal life will be all over the front pages'.

  • Accidental leak not accidental.

  • Perhaps we can play our own speculative game of what blackmailed Boris into standing down?

  • He was at the other end of the pig.

  • He was the pig.

  • Going to speculate that Boris is Remain and didn't want to push the big red Leave button, plausible?

  • This is likely, but I reckon he still would have done if he got the job. Can't imagine his principles would have stopped him

  • I don't think Boris has "bottled it" because of the Referendum.

    I just don't think there was anyway the party was going to elect him. But I am curious to know what he's been given in exchange for standing down and who he'll back.

  • But I am curious to know what he's been given in exchange for standing down

    His own private island in the Thames Estuary?

  • Aristocracy,
    (Gideon) George Osborne is heir to his family's Irish baronetcy, of Ballentaylor and Ballylemon in County Waterford.

  • Ha!

    I was talking through it with a colleague and we agreed that giving his nothing status in government you'd be fucking off a whole load of people who've worked / sold their arses to get proper appointments.

    Right now they need to regroup and consolidate not mug people off

  • What the actual fuck is going on?

    Worth repeating on pretty much every page.

  • Taxes are not higher for forrins in NL. The max we'll pay is 30% which by all means is far less than the UK.

  • Perhaps we (sorta, Norn Ire) can give him the welcome Trump gets in Scotland...

  • It's higher than UK tax though I believe as you have to you pay health insurance on top of the 33% percent we pay here? No NHS anymore.

    At least a colleague of mine said he'd have to pay a lot more tax in his situation. He's in a high UK band though, perhaps for him it didn't work out.

    I probably should be OK as wages are also higher (compared to Norn Ire) would I move back. I haven't done the exact figures yet. Kid, mortgage, dad of kid and his NI missus and new kid, her parents... ;)

  • If more of those younger generation had actually voted we probably wouldn't be in this situation either. When complaining about older people screwing up the future, the apathy of the younger voters seems to have been glossed over.

  • Boris knows there are no winners now and whoever attempts to take this on is committing career suicide.

    May is the best of a bad bunch. Not weighed down by ideology and dazzled by her own intellect like Grove, or a fundemenlist goon like crabb, or a dodgy failure like Fox.

    She has an eye for detail and works hard...that's the best we have got at the moment.

  • This is true, and it's inexcusable in this case. But I guess they just did what they normally do. The old people voted (like they normally do) but actually chose a position that would break things for their children / grandchildren: they opted for destruction - that's worse.

  • Second para is gold

  • If you have not worked in the Netherlands before the maximum you'll pay is 30% IIRC.

    Regardless of your income. That 30% is only applicable from the 30% tax scale as well so your total taxable amount is less. Private healthcare insurance very often is a benefit which will be taken from your tax free allowance, same as in the UK.

    For the first 10? years you'll be better off providing you haven't worked in NL over the last ten years.

  • 100% Gove has played this well, but the more I look at it the more I think it will be Theresa May.
    My view on this has also been hugely swayed by someone I know in Westminster saying well before the Referendum that May had already been pipelined and would be kept out of the Referendum debate.
    She has held senior positions, is anti-immigration, and lost weight. Seems like a front runner to me.

    Was that really necessary?

  • I read it more as a statement about her long term intent and the vanity of the public.

    But maybe I'm wrong.

  • Well, Eric Pickles hasn't thrown his sizeable frame into the foray...

  • Me too, remember Giddion's weight loss and haircut....prep for the big time

  • jesus, it's come down to people defending theresa pissing may.

    i'm fucking off back to the colonies - at least i can be fucked over by an undeserving elite with a nice sea view.

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