EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

i blame aram and his ararms.

link? Upsettingly, my right-on (American) friend used to be a nanny to Gove's kids and said that him and Sarah Vine were really nice people.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/29/brexit-live-sad-cameron-eu-immigration-corbyn-leadership

http://news.sky.com/story/1719331/goves-wife-raises-johnson-leadership-concerns

"Rubbish, boring music made in the period 4b BC to 1965, that might once have been worth listening to, but is completely shit in comparison to what has come since."

I assume you're not into jazz then?

"In other words if for every 10 kids who like rock and 10 who like dance music there is one who likes classical then there should 10 rock acadamies and 10 dance acadamies for every 1 guildhall"

Would you apply the same criteria to other things, such as art and literature? Let the kids decide, they know what's best for them. They're happy reading their comics, you say?

https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/748180181257490432

You know who else was really nice to some people... ;)

Surely a double bag marriage?

Cheers just seen it on Twitter now

@Butternut-Squash
i may have heard the next miles davis, jimi hendrix, bootsy collins, kurt cobain, aged 14.. the fact that you think this is about dead music or classical elite is what bothers me about your comments.

btw bootsy collins is still alive

A man angrily and confusedly slagging off brass instruments is one tangent I never thought this thread would take.

That's a lot of opinions for such a narrow mindset.

To a large extent I'd be happy, instead of teaching 'traditional history' to allow students to pick what they are interested in

What if all they are interested in is (are?) tweets?

#brexit is bringing out the rage in us all.

I for one, stubbed my toe the other day and I am mightily pissed off.

@Butternut-Squash
jazz you say??
like Les Freres Smith or The Shoalin Afronauts

There have been many many points made about the arts here and I just want to maybe clarify one of the overriding themes of the arts only being for the upper classes/elites ...

I work with and regularly visit around 250 theatres in the UK, many in extremely poor and under-funded areas (the Medway valley being a standout candidate). I would say without a doubt that the vast, vast majority of these organisations work primarily to interact with and enrich the local community. They pour huge amounts of (often their own free-) time and (mostly customer donated) money into running programmes for local schools and communities in an attempt to provide distraction and alternative developmental paths for children and young adults.

I don't think I know of another industry that does more for deprived or underfunded parts of this country, in fact. And definitely not in a way that puts smiles on so many young peoples faces.

It'll be #wexit next (woodwind exit).

First they came for the trombones and I did not speak out...

Genuine lol 😂

Flugles, tubas, jazz trumpets fuck off now! We want our ears to be free again to enjoy quality English lyre music played by real English folk. Possibly with Morris dancing.

I love jazz as played by black flag on certain black flag records. I hate jazz played by jazz musicians, not least because brass instruments have no place in music whatsoever other than trombones in ska punk bands obviously.

Never has the word "obviously" been so badly misused.

this. just because something is popular does not mean it is better.

How many X-factor contestants will be remembered in a few years let alone decades or centuries? There's a reason for that: it's pop cultural dross and it's not elitist to point out that out, nor snobbish to encourage 'the youf' to pursue more meaningful and enriching art forms that produce careers and interests that don't culminate in running over your own head after eating too many baked potatoes.

I mean, look at Charlotte Church if you need a cautionary tale about dabbling in pop. Or Jimmy Saville for that matter-the paedo godfather of an entire musical edifice.

Yes. ToTP: Top Of the Page.

You seem like a moron tbh. What do you think is more expensive to put on, a classical concert requiring nothing other than chairs or a rock/dance gig with a full backline/production equipment/suitable pa/lights/etc? Which do you think involves more children and more music, the 100+ person orchestra (not including support from younger age groups) or 4-5 bands squeezed onto a gig bill playing 20 mins each?

Not that one rules the other out (I did both orchestral stuff and 'rock school'* as a teen) but to claim that classical music is more expensive and less inclusive than post 1966 music is fucking nonsense.

*Not a school as such, just opportunity to rehearse for free, and share ideas with other bands with the backline equipment provided, one evening a week.

I can finally get behind this thread, it's reaching its zenith.

Trombones. Bunch of cunts.

There's probably a rock band called Zenith.