EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Fair point.

Basically the EU is protectionist
Not quite fair on immigration
They let people drown
Did mess Greece over
And a few other lexit arguments apply.

Can't think of UK specific things though...

Sure, but they/he didn't. There's no point revisiting the terms of the referendum and wishing they were different. The result is, sadly, as it is.

I've just taken this thread off ignore. Yesterday was the first time I've read any news or had any exposure to the debate since seeing the result.

Like a lot of people I've been consumed with bile and hatred. Only now am I calming down.

I could not disagree with you more. I don't see why Remain should take this lying down. The majority was slim. The Breix group lied. The impact on the country will be negative. We have a flawed democratic system and I see no reason not to exploit it for my interests and what I believe is best for the country.

As andyp pointed out everyone in favour of remain should be lobbying their MP. Minority groups often have to flight for their interests.

Exciting smuggling runs over border with ROI reinstated in NI ;)

Dead hand of regulation lifted:
We can now sell our chemicals (broadly) unlabelled, saving pennies per label,
so when a delivery truck crashes the first responders have no idea if the drums contain orange juice or cyanide, corrosive acids or bases, flammable solvents, or are explosively oxidising on exposure to air.
Of course, any exports, to anywhere, not just the EU, have to be correctly labelled, so will we maintain England only stock, or just use the existing labels to any drum can be despatched to any customer requiring a prompt delivery?

Europe is a continent in decline. In a globalised market we should be free to trade with anyone we choose and not be bound to a slow moving, bureaucratic EU.

Ours is a small island and cannot cope with an influx of immigrants, so need to slow immigration and allow us to control those who come here so we can ensure that we have the skills required to thrive in a global market.

The UK already is though?

I see usa ramming ttip down our throats.

http://www.leftleave.org/seven-more-myths-about-the-eu/

Lexit. Wishful thinking banking on a swell of left government. I don't see it, if I did yes it wouldn't be so bad. Maybe good.

But I don't see it as the timing is wrong

I think that people that could answer your question needs first to know the new rules and laws after the leave.

EU Exit Day 1 00:00:01
Chancellor Michael Gove announces Corporation Tax for companies with turnover above £25 million abolished.
400,000 brass plates have already been attached to the entrance lobbies of four new Shards,
as 400,000 companies from outside England have incorporated themselves in the City of London to avail themselves of English accountants and the benefits of revised English commercial contract law, which repeals most consumer protection.

Coincidentally Blairmore Holdings announces it now has more than $1trillion under mangement.

EU Exit Day 2 00:00:02
Business Secretary Jeremy Hunt,
(reversing his previous declaration that Health would be his last public service post),
announces a network of heavily guarded 'Enterprise Zones', incorporating small airfields and ports. 'For far too long, many of our most ingenious entrepreneurs have been shunned, indeed hindered by the long arm of the Law. No more, Columbian coca farmers, Afghan poppy farmers, meth lab chemists are now free to pursue their activities in these 8 locations carefully chosen to give easy access to the EU. All we ask is an acceptable level of drug abuse within our own borders. What happens to the 500 million inhabitants of the EU, well, frankly we cannot shackle the UK's fastest growing business sector with over burdensome regulation'.

I don't believe any of that, I was trying to join in the game @mi7rennie proposed.

I read an article over the weekend, which I now can't find, which basically argued that you can only have two of democracy, sovereignty and access to global markets at any one time in today's world. The UK has had to sacrifice some sovereignty to be part of the EU, but the benefits seem, to me at least, to outweigh this disadvantages. But if I were an unskilled worker living in a post industrial community in northern England or south Wales, I'd likely have a very different view.

It was a statement of fact. Not a judgement.

The question has to be asked - how is he going to form a credible oppostition from a pool of 40 candidates and without the support of the other 179 members of the PLP?

EU Exit Day 1 00:00:03
Prime minister Theresa announces that every foreigner that is earning less than £100.000 for year or more than £750 per month must leave the country, only one baggage allowed at the border.
Free hairdresser and costumes for every lady that takes Maggie semblances, in the name of the free market.
Post mortem face expression will be allowed only in pubs, but not in West London.
A bus free ticket for pilgrimage in St. James Park, entrance to the grass area £5 only.
A free gallon of bleach to every community that needs to change its colour. New paint 50% discount.
Cost of rope increase 500%.

Isn't there a view that some of those 179 are not looking forward to the Chilcott Report being revealed on the 6th July?

Wasn't there a large & profitable business smuggling red diesel across the border,
and 'treating it', so it could be sold to consumers?

Fuck yeah. That's the spirit.

The EU actually is a bit shit for the working classes and small business.

Here's so called Arthur Scargill on the matter:

http://youtu.be/JVqjRTwj25A

Ah, OK :)

There's no reason for the UK to leave those people behind. It's a local choice...

Still ongoing, every so often they're finding a total mess made by the cleaning agents. As also the NI farm diesel is red, so there are always people trying to clean it.

A car smelling of Domestos is a give away... (bleach)

Or. Just maybe, they actually have lost confidence in Corbyn's ability to lead the party at this juncture.

I thought they used cat litter to adsorb the dye!

Yep, could be.
So who was responsible for those local election results?

Such colourful assertions and dodgy analyses.

How is growing up in a family with one working parent a 'trap'? It sounds pretty ideal to me.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/scientists-working-for-exira-men-in-south-armagh-unable-to-crack-new-diesel-marker-30284321.html

That too! They're blocked now from doing this, and have to get back to other smuggling work. Well, at least they work unlike those ones that smuggle money offshore :P

Somebody in the gym joking about my politics rants on FB. Goes "I don't understand it actually as I don't follow politics".

My reply: "Imagine you have moved out of your mortgaged house, but have no new rental property or mortgage lined up or looked for one. That's the brexit plan".

If Cameron's successor didn't enact article 50 (for the winner of the next general election to act on) then this would rightly be called out as undemocratic. Trying to get out of leaving on a technicality would be a stitch up and rocket fuel to nationalists.

Many leave votes were cast in frustration at being ignored by westminster and urban politics. Don't prove them right.