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  • Damn straight. The idea that poor equals thick and we somehow have to bow down to that thickness out of what? Guilt? Deference to authenticity?
    That's the fantastic trick the Republicans have pulled off in the States, now we're supposed to follow.
    Liverpool voted Remain. So did the poorest parts of Scotland.
    It's the left's job to educate or offer a vision to seduce or whatever you want to call it. It's supposed to offer something better and better informed, not to accommodate ignorance.

  • The idea that poor equals thick and we somehow have to bow down to that thickness out of what? Guilt? Deference to authenticity?

    It's not about dumbing down or educating up (like some sort of white Knight). Its about delivery simple messages, because most people are lazy and have better things to do than listen to another tit spout a load of lies. You need simple messages that can appeal to a wide base.

    The leave campaign did a great job:

    • libitarian? Soverenty.
    • disenfranchised? Imigrants.
    • poor? £350m p/w.
  • I don't disagree with that at all. I agree the message should be simple and seductive.
    I just don't think that message should begin with 'how much of this can we absorb'. The first way to win back a Labour voter who voted Brexit is to change his or her mind, not to think 'How much of how this person thinks NOW can I pander to?'

    I think it was Obama's first campaign where he talked about gun control and how in certain deprived white areas people had nothing to hold on to but their guns. It was considered a giant mis-step, one of the few of that campaign. It's become taboo within politics to say people who are poor and white might also be wrong about something. This weird conflation of deference and disenfranchisement. I think that's very dangerous (see Trump if you feel like it).
    When Brown called that Rochdale lady bigoted there was the same outcry. He may have been wrong but it seemed to flip the argument so that a few years before you weren't allowed to mention immigration without being branded a racist to the point where Britain was suddenly a post-racist society and anti-immigration couldn't possibly have anything to do with racism and you had to be nice to the BNP when they came on the Today programme in case you came off as metropolitan.

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