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  • Yes, the debt is very problematic. It is also true that before fees, top universities were struggling to recruit from outside of the usual middle class, often privately educated elite. Fees are one solution, though a very flawed one. A better solution wasn't put on the table. perhaps someone should come up with one. And yes, I think the connection is simple: "I can get a loan to afford this now, so I'll go".

    What does this even mean?

    Top universities weren't able to recruit from outside the privately educated middle classes so fees were raised? Huh?

  • It's confusing, but it is happening.

    "18 year-olds from disadvantaged areas reached their highest ever application rate at the end of the UCAS admissions cycle in 2014, and these gains have continued into the 2015 cycle—the January deadline application rate for this group was also at a record high."

    https://fullfact.org/education/have-governments-tuition-fee-reforms-worked/

    Like I said, I'm not comfortable with the debt culture either, but I dont think the fees question is black and white.

  • This is great news, but how is it linked to fees.

  • I dont think the fees question is black and white.

    Yes, this! Ffs. I have stuff to do.

  • My experience was, coming from a very disadvantaged area and when I was at school and experiencing a shitty home life; The message I was getting from colleges and uni's was that only the clever people enrolled at them.

    Due to shitty home life and bullying my grades were shite and so college and uni 'was never an option' in my mind. I've now got a masters degree and doing OK in life. When I talk to my peers who I grew up with, we all say the same 'we were classed as under achievers', so the college/uni route simply wasn't explored during our career advisor 1:1 sessions.

    Things in my area have changed massively, it's now a case of 'no child left behind', attitude. My son is on the ASD scale, thanks to this new 'can do' attitude he now has a nursing degree and doing well at work.

    So personally I think it's the 'can do' attitude that has helped 'under achievers' where I live.
    Who has driven this change or why I've no idea, but I'm fucking glad they did and I'm guessing this has happened in other disadvantaged areas aswell, hence the increase in applications from 'disadvantaged' students.

    NB:
    I fucking hate the term 'disadvantaged students', it makes a mockery of the intelligence of the students and sets them aside from others.

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