Labour Leadership 2016

My problem is that the referendum demonstrates labour's failure to engage with a huge part of uk society

I can't see any way out of this for Labour. The Blairites abandoned the working classes (and Scotland) in favour of austerity policies, chasing the middle england vote and allowed the narrative to be dictated to them by the Tories, UKIP, and the media (Labour caused the financial crash, Austerity is needed, Immigration is a problem etc).

The grass roots elect a leader who is anti-austerity, and his message is drowned out by continuing back stabbing by his own party, and by a media who don't want to stray from the neoliberal path. Guardian in particular had some awful articles around the time of Labour leadership contest, and seems to reporting the last days events with glee.

If Labour do have a new leader, it'll probably be an ex-policy wonk/spod from this list.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/these-are-the-184-labour-mps-who-didn-t-vote-against-the-tories-welfare-bill-10404831.html

I can only hope that the grass roots support for Corbyn shows that they can't carry on down the Tory-lite / Pro-Austerity path

The article also mentions Nicola Sturgeon, who is also in a different party. All three political figures are connected to the main story. Because you like Corbyn, you think all reporting of him is biased if it isn't positive. If you were a tory supporter, you would also think the BBC is biased.

I guess this is kind of the start of the next leadership campaign, so fair enough, get stuck in :)

"Labour’s leadership recommended an abstention against the bill as a whole"

They all voted in line with the leadership.

I think that (2nd) paragraph is a bit ill fitting as well, but it is directly linked to Johnson's comments:

Writing in Monday's Daily Telegraph, Mr Johnson dismissed Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon's call for a second independence referendum saying there was little "appetite" for one.

The next two paragraphs - not so much.

I'm not asking for positive articles about Corbyn. I'm trying to point out why some people would recognize hostility to him in the media after you posted:

You can't trust the BBC, they've had it in for Corbyn from the start. They're basically a mouthpiece for the tories. If you watch his speeches on ITV he's actually a really eloquent, exciting, convincing orator.

But maybe you're right. Maybe that's a perfectly normal way of starting breaking news about a different topic, but I've just got heightened awareness of it.

Do you think the BBC broadcast disproportionately favourable stories about leaders of other parties, in contrast to the negative ones about Corbyn? I haven't noticed them being much kinder to Cameron.

Ed Milliband got an appalling time in the press, but I quite liked him. I don't think I've been brainwashed to find Corbyn uninspiring.

BBC continues downhill route to gutter:
de Pfeiffel is the MP for Uxbridge & South Ruislip.
( and sell-out/off to Murdoch).

Do you think the BBC broadcast disproportionately favourable stories about leaders of other parties, in contrast to the negative ones about Corbyn? I haven't noticed them being much kinder to Cameron.

I don't know. There are NGOs that try to quantify these things, so maybe there is data. However, it would be interesting to know how often Cameron is/was the lead on an unrelated story.

The Media Reform Coalition analysed nearly 500 pieces across eight national newspapers, including The Sun, The Times, Guardian and Daily Mail, and found 60% of their articles were ‘negative’, meaning they were openly hostile or expressed animosity or ridicule.

Out of the 494 articles across the papers during Corbyn’s first seven days at leader, 60% (296 articles) were negative, with only 13% positive stories (65 articles) and 27% taking a “neutral” stance (133 articles), the report says.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/11/26/jeremy-corbyn-media-coverage_n_8653886.html

Over the weekend the BBC’s former political editor confessed — in an interview in the Sunday Times — that he had written to several BBC colleagues over concerns that the corporation’s political coverage is biased against Jeremy Corbyn. When asked by Lynn Barber whether he was ‘shocked’ by the way the BBC ‘rubbish Jeremy Corbyn’, Robinson replied ‘yes’

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/nick-robinson-tackles-anti-corbyn-bias-at-the-bbc/

The BBC may have bowed to political pressure to show bias against Labour and Jeremy Corbyn, a former chair of the BBC Trust has said.

Sir Michael Lyons, who chaired the trust from 2007 to 2011 and is a former Labour councillor, claimed that there had been “some quite extraordinary attacks on the elected leader of the Labour party”.

He told the BBC’s The World at One: “I can understand why people are worried about whether some of the most senior editorial voices in the BBC have lost their impartiality on this.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/may/12/bbc-bias-labour-sir-michael-lyons

And you're right - Milliband got it pretty bad as well. In some ways worse.

And I never claimed you, or anyone else, had been brainwashed to find Corbyn uninspiring.

That's a very strong case for the bias you have called out, I'm glad you've made it clearly. I'm also glad you don't subscribe to the 'brainwashing' argument. I've definitely had some Corbyn supporters claim any criticism of him is purely and only a result of the bias, a slippery and unfalsifiable argument.

Nick Robinson is currently defending Corbyn's position on R4, against Lucy Powell's assertions that he is finished- "The members and trade unions are rallying around him.."

Do you think the bias against Milliband lost the election last time? I think it was the fact he came across as very southern, middle class and out of touch.

Here's Tommy

I quite like that Alan Johnson feller.

Tom Watso and Stella Creaso, please

Sorry to appear stupes, as I am away I appear to have missed something: Is there definitely going to be another leadership election for Labour, or is this just conjecture?

Not yet, it was just moved to a new thread to keep the Brexit thread on topic

If the PLP reject the massive democratic mandate given to Corbyn, do they also reject the outcome of the referendum?

Johnson has sadly made it very clear repeatedly he's not interested. Yes, he would have been a strong, working class voice.

I'm getting behind Eagle.

https://twitter.com/angelaeagle?lang=en

Was thinking, maybe best bet is Corbyn to agree to step aside, in return for being made deputy and there being a clear working group on policies. Would give some support to his mandate from the Labour Party Members, but also be a bone thrown to those who (rightly or wrongly) think he's in electable as PM

Yes, it would be best if he steps aside, allows a more amicable and inclusive transfer of leadership. As I said before, if he stands and is re-elected, there can be no place in the cabinet for anyone who challenged his leadership, which now includes every Labour MP who has ever run anything or held any form of office– we would be trying to get elected with hardly a single recognisable name or face and zero experience, and the possibility of a rival party rising from the ashes of the current PLP. It would probably result in a longer Tory domination than the Thatcher years.

What I don't understand is the far right who champion Johnson and Farage are after real people, not politicians, but apparently Labour voters don't want Corbyn who appears to be an actual real person unlike Johnson and Farage.

It really comes across to me like there's a shed load of anti Corbyn Labour voters who just want Tory policies without the stigma of voting for the Tories.

Of course my opinion is actually worthless because I know fuck all. This isn't self deprecating humour, until 5-6 years ago I genuinely couldn't give a fuck and I'm ashamed to say I was a Daily Mail reader as a teenager.

I'm not against Blairites, in hindsight Blair and Labour acheived a lot we should be proud of, but I feel in the face of a rising far right we should be pushing further left, not trying to meet them in the middle.

I want to vote for a party that stands for what it believes in, not what it thinks the public wants to hear.

Was in Soho. Heard someone/some people marching around with a megaphone yelling stop the coup.

Labour voters who just want Tory policies without the stigma of voting for the Tories.

This is the kind of divisive comment from Corbyn supporters that helped his failure as leader. For lifelong Labour voters, and MPs, there nothing more inaccurate or infuriating to hear.

I'm not against Blairites, in hindsight Blair and Labour acheived a lot we should be proud of

Actual lol in comparison to the first comment :)

Like I said, I know fuck all, so maybe I should just keep quiet.

jess phillips wrote in her resignation letter
https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/747371576455213056?lang=en-gb
'you cannot see that you have made this all about you'
Yet I can't really see how Corbyn has done this- the PLP has done this.