EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

About to watch the Andrew made show. Should I prepareto shout at everyone?

You also need to enforce any minimum or living wage.
Remember the leisurely HMRC 'discussions' that came to light when
Mike Ashley appeared in front of the HoC Business Committee?

Yes. And I do wonder if the party leaders know something we don't – like that 'enforcement' just isn't really possible, even with a funded police force?

It's not just minimum wage that's the issue. Traditional jobs are going. Re-training is slow and expensive, and the gov has cut uni funding. The open uni had to put their prices up as well.

Perhaps a return of apprenticeships can help, but skilled job apprenticeships still take time. And if the undereducation is so bad people can barely spell, those also won't be accessible to the ones that are really stuck.

Yes. And I do wonder if the party leaders know something we don't – like that 'enforcement' just isn't really possible, even with a funded police force?

You'd need to make it something that could be reported to HMRC by the worker, which would trigger an immediate forensic audit of the employer.

If the employer was paying the correct wage then the employee loses their job (and likely will find it hard to get a new one), if the employer was found to not be paying the correct wage then some sort of crippling fine/other scorched earth penalty.

GBP is starting another dip..
:(

Yeah, Asian markets are tanking the £

In some of the stronger voting areas for exit such as east anglia the minimum wage as such does not apply for a lot of jobs.
The reason and I speak from personal experience is especially fruit picking etc. you get paid say per 20kg. If this is say £1 and with the best will in the world and being young and fit you at best can only manage five 20kg per hour the fact there is a minimum wage is irrelevant.

Interesting - I imagine the pickers are not employed as such, they are an independent entity selling fruit to the landowner or similar.

That sort of loophole would have to be closed - which no doubt would make certain crops uneconomical in terms of their current production process, so there would be a certain amount of thought required.

I don't know if that's a minor detail. Take for example the areas that are still poorer in mainland Europe. Mining in Belgium and Germany, East Germany. Such issues take decades to correct with education.

But yeah neo-liberalism can go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

And so can childish protest voting.

http://www.her.ie/lol/this-brexit-12-point-plan-is-absolutely-brilliant/299573

Some Irish craic...many jokes going around on ROI/NI facebook about just floating over to Scotland and take ROI with us. Wales, we're not sure yet :P

London can come too if youse want. He forgot about that!

Almost, but with London propping it up would it do any better?

Would mean you'd have to change money to visit the provinces...

This is still illegal - my old job worked via piecework and they had to make sure that targets enabled everyone to at least reach minimum wage.

I was buying my bike parts from Japan at 190 last year, now that is 134.
So my profit margin is fast approaching zero and I have a million yen invoice to pay Tange-San in July.. I am seriously thinking of moving to Dublin or Cork. Anyone got any experience of setting up a business in Ireland?

As someone just said on Twitter, Boris appears to be trying to get the shit back into the horse.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/i-cannot-stress-too-much-that-britain-is-part-of-europe--and-alw/

After an event like this the currency will usually hit it's lowest 1o days later.

Borxit coming up, possibly.

£1 = €1.21

there goes the bicycle wears from Paris my eyes were on (!), might have to go shopping in Lundun-town now!

This is my second "Oh, snap!" moment of the night (first being Corbyn's gauntlet throw-down).

Gloria de Piero (Ashfield) Leave 69.84%
Tristram Hunt (Stoke-on-Trent Central) Leave 69.34%
Caroline Flint (Don Valley) Doncaster Leave 69%
Dan Jarvis (Barnsley Central) Leave 68.31%
Margaret Hodge (Barking) Leave 62.44%
John Woodcock (Barrow and Furness) Leave 60.62%
Stephen Kinnock (Aberavon)/Neath,Port Talbot Leave 56.84%
Angela Smith (Penistone & Stocksbridge) Sheffield Leave 50.99
Lillian Greenwood (Nottingham South) Leave 50.84%
Chris Leslie (Nottingham East) Leave 50.84%

More entrants for the Hilary Benn (Shadow Cabinet member responsible for the Remain Campaign), 'I fucked up, you have to resign' award.
Please judge them harshly.

Good to know, thanks.

lol

Sorry to pull this so late on (given how fast things here are moving) but can anyone point me to where these turnout splits are from?

I'm playing with calculations again...

I know, Penistone.

It's from a poll by @skydata

https://twitter.com/SkyData/status/746700869656256512