EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

There is an argument that the longer it's put off, the less likely it is to happen (https://twitter.com/DavidAllenGreen). I'm not as sure. People will to extreme things for the chance to gain power (see: Cameron holding a fucking referendum on EU membership). I'm certain Boris would move forward with negotiations. But there's also a very good chance he won't have the opportunity - will he have the democratic legitimacy to take the UK out of the EU without having been elected to do so? Will a general election be necessary?

There are more questions than answers, but I wouldn't assume no one is willing to do it.

I agree No. 10 should have had a fucking plan! Absolutely insane that there was zero planning for this. There were only really two possible outcomes from the referendum and was status quo, so they could have put at least a couple of interns on it? But, again, David Cameron...

Which (Tory MP) Brexiteers have clearly stated that they are willing to press the button, and when have they indicated they would do it?

Now that it comes with auto Scotland removal, I suspect none of them. For now.

Wasn't directing that at you, or making any accusations! Just a general comment.

Could the EU come out with enough chest-beating rhetoric that the mood changes again and they're queuing up to be the one to press the button?

Maybe the EU and the UK agreeing something that looks like EU exit but actually kinda isn't.

I think that's what Boris will aim for, the litmus test for him being a) it doesn't destroy the tory party / the pound / the union

Which will probably be everything that benefits corporations, and nothing that benefits citizens, because we've told them we don't want that right to live elsewhere nonsense or european healthcare crap. Or cleaner beaches. Fuck those. Awful.

Now that it comes with auto Scotland removal, I suspect none of them. For now.

They'd go on record as losing Scotland, but being the person who re-unified Ireland would also go on their CV, which might counterbalance it somewhat?

Huge Success! etc

Depends on how you spin it I reckon. Enough chutzpah and you'd be right.

Just because NI wants to become part of the ROI dosen't mean the ROI wants the toxic nature of NI politics rocking the boat and the costs etc etc.
NI might find itself breaking away and still being NI but under EU instead of UK.

Wasn't the whole question about Cameron: Remain, or Leave..

Cameron has agreed to Leave, so now Boris can take his place, as for the EU, there's no hurry, no haste, just let me become PM and all will be fine (!), :-)

Meanwhile, Cameron & Osbourne Advisory Ltd?!

Two steps back to move one step into the unknown?

I honestly think that the leave campaigners don't know what's hitting them at the moment.

Their entire strategy is based on hot air.

... and on the theme of national divisions, we're surely pretty close to the reign of Charles III, no!?

'the unity King'?!

ROI can't afford NI atm. Biggest block.

yup, the Brexit camp is in a good bargaining position for negotiations, especially if other countries start to express disquiet about the current setup of the EU,

we gotta have faith in BJ surely!?

Good bargaining position? Brussels has no interest in conceding anything to the UK at the moment. Instead, they want to make the UK suffer as a warning to other countries.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/the-eu-will-treat-britain-like-greece/

so how was he to know people were as angry as they were?

Isn't that his job, to listen to the electorate?

One of the older generation I talked to yesterday who voted leave said the EU had changed so much since its inception that he felt this was the best opportunity to reform for the next generation. A refreshing opinion born out of decades of observation.

I still think whatever happens the void between the major cities and disenfranchised middle England will flame far-right politics. A shitty self-serving Tory leadership of our rudderless ship won't help these people, I really hope the Left can find a voice.

Give it a bit of time.

It'll certainly be interesting.

I'm not sure there's much mileage in the 'make em suffer' play.

Depends if you are Marine Le Pen I guess.

Can we stop calling him Boris / BJ
Looking forward to seeing him on his bike tomorrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vagfTO36LBk

yeah - and he didn't invent bikes

If every time I thought of Boris Johnson I thought of blow jobs I would imagine I'd got something wrong.

No. 10 did have a plan. If they lose they'll quit and make it somebody's else's problem.

I don't blame him in many ways. It's becoming clear (although it was pretty obvious beforehand) that leave don't actually know what their expected outcome actually is. If I was Cameron I wouldn't choose to try and rescue them from the pile of shit they've dropped themselves in.

Had Cameron not immediately set a date for stepping down, all people would be asking is when he was going to resign. So setting a date seems to be the only sensible thing he's done this year.

I dislike the affection implied by calling him Boris. I call him BJ because when I think BJ I think Blow Job, and that implies an appropriate level of respect for the bloke.

Just call him Alex.