EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Sadiq Kahn campaigned with David Cameron. Blair campaigned with Major. Most people realised this was a bigger issue than their own usual political loyalties. And yet

"pro-EU lines in Corbyn speeches were cut, his diary was scheduled to avoid Labour In events and any attempts to work with Tony Blair, Peter Mandelson and Gordon Brown were overruled."

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-allies-sabotaged-labour-in-campaign-and-fuelled-brexit_uk_576eb1b5e4b0d2571149bb1f

Hard-right Union leader on R5 just now saying "Jeremy always agreed with me over the EU, I think he should have stuck to his principles and campaigned for out" He went on to say Jeremy had the biggest mandate in Labour history and his leadership had been sabotaged by the media, which is cute but growing a bit tired.

This chump needs to go. Hilary Benn has just left, probably taking half the shadow cabinet with him. There'll be a vote of no confidence at a PLP meeting on Monday, I hope we get a strong new leader soon, this is urgent as there'll probably be a general election by the end of the year.

Part of the reason Labour died in Scotland was because they shared a stage with the Tories in the Scottish Referendum. Corbyn has learnt that lesson.

The trouble with a coup now is that it'll open the chasm between the left and the right in the Labour party and there is no-one who is able to unite both. So that'll fester on and on.

This is all moot though, given that the choice of candidates to replace Corbyn is about as inspiring as a weekend in Cleethorpes.

No memories of the outcome of sharing platforms with Tories during the Scottish referendum?
Sadiq Khan should have demanded an apology from Cameron for the unfounded lies CallMeDave used to slur him in the London Mayoral election before sharing any platform with him.
'Strong ... leader', you been drinking the kipper coolaid?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Creagh

No, by campaigning with Cameron Sadiq Kahn has shown he is much better than the level of debate that failed to have any effect on the mayoral campaign.

'Strong ... leader', you been drinking the kipper coolaid?

Not sure what this means. Are you saying that only UKIP supporters want strong leaders or something?

I'm starting to feel more optimistic about the second referendum petition now.

If I spend £25 to join the Conservative party will there be a Europhile candidate for me to vote for in the leadership election? If he/she got elected would they be able to stall long enough to get a general election? If so, all us Remainers should be joining up pronto.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/25/boris-johnson-michael-gove-eu-liars?CMP=fb_gu

Arseholes.

No such thing as a good Tory,
so you have no memory of the cost for Scottish Labour for being seen as 'friends of Tories'?
Strong leader sounds very ominous.
Say it with a German accent for added emphasis.

how the fuck do these plp turncoats expect anyone to vote for them if they're not even prepared to respect their own democratic process?

we would of stayed.

out.

Dense George Smith on Marr, rowing back from £350 million a week for the NHS,
has no memory of what Hannan promised, and now denies on Immigration,
believes that the Kipper wing of the Tories can command a majority in the HoC.

It's astonishing. These people are still in absolute denial about both the appeal of the Corbyn movement and the rejection of the professional political elite. They really cannot see it. What will it take for them to question themselves rather than everyone else?

A credible, united opposition might force and win a general election now. One that tears itself apart won't.

part of their argument appears to be "jeremy corbyn should go because he didn't do enough to appeal to xenophobes and racists during the referendum he is responsible for losing". wutlol?

Yes, exactly. It seems to be a thing that they want Labour to have bigoted policies to 'remain in touch with the core voter'.

Indeed, but it's a failure on Corbyn's part that he's open to this line of attack.

Fucking Blairites.

so you have no memory of the cost for Scottish Labour for being seen as 'friends of Tories'?

The votes the In campaign needed were not in Scotland. Also, I'm not saying Corbyn should have campaigned with Cameron nescessarily, but perhaps with established Labour figures who were also campaigning for In, to show a united Labour front to stay in the EU. But he never would have, because he didn't really believe in the In campaign anyway.

Strong leader sounds very ominous.
Say it with a German accent for added emphasis.

So if you are on the left, you need a weak leader to prove you're not a Nazi? Great.

howso? by not being prepared to appease reductionist racist arseholes? well ok, i guess.

they want Labour to have bigoted policies

Which policies are those?

Le Manfriend thinks tribalism and echo chambers has contributed to this "lala" on facts.

Genuinely upset somebody with a master's bought the "no social housing in NI cos of immigrants" bs.

But he never would have, because he didn't really believe in the In campaign anyway.

begging the question.

Hitler was technically socialist😜

Only for proper Germans obv.

And we've gone full Godwin.

howso?

He didn't really believe in the campaign, right? But he campaigned for it. It's not something the poor sods who had the actual job of convincing the leavers could have really worked with.

by not being prepared to appease reductionist racist arseholes? well ok, i guess.

I don't think he needed to do that - to succeed here, he needed to:

• have conviction
  
• be seen to be doing everything in his power to campaign for it. He might for example have had to have shared a platform with Cameron, which I understand might have been damaging for Labour, but it's possibly less damaging than the shitstorm they have now.
  
  

I suspect he's just as surprised (and fucked) by this as Johnson, Gove, Cameron, and well, us.