• miro_o in reply to @clubman

    it can hardly be worse.
    ^ good until this bit.

    Thanks for that 'good', Miro_o.

    I didn't mean that the Labour Party is inherently bad; for most of its existence it's been a worthy institution.

    However, to use a modern expression (rare for me) I think it's a 'damaged brand'.

    Apart from Blairism as a whole - which would have pretty much destroyed the party on its own - just one example of their recent crassness was the way they asked the Scots to vote to stay in the UK in 2014 because they feared losing the Scottish Labour MPs at Westminster (it's very unlikely Labour could ever form a government without their Scottish contingent). This was blatant self interest and backfired on the party. There are plenty of other examples.

    With Labour still in existence, it's inevitable they will take some of the left vote through the inertia of many of their supporters. With the old party scrapped there would be a better chance of something like Podemos or the 5 Star Movement uniting the anti Tory vote.

    P.S. The Liberals (or whatever they call themselves now) should follow the same example.

  • With supporters like you, I can't think how the Labour party ever found itself mired in multi-year in-party fighting and a succession of lame duck leaders.

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