EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

This crap may lead to Manfriend company not having contracts next year and no job for him.

I am annoyed by thesw Leave voters that voted out for fuckery reasons like "sovereignty" and "I hate labour" and did not consider the consequences for others whose jobs rely on the EU.

I expect a massive"with haben't ess night gewusst" too if working, but not earning the 36K like USA workers and not in a special shortages job, EU workers get fucked out.

So do tell how commonwealth or further abroad foreigners don't fill those jobs. People are mostly idiots (this includes me) and referenda are a bad idea.

NI has a strong socialist background and yet we have only more social parties thanks to Republicanism. As unionist won't vote socialist.

If that's the situation in England/ Wales well good luck. Hopefully a better Labour emerges. But that still leave your absolutely toxic newspapers like the Sun.

They haven't even switched comments on for that piece, probably because everyone would be reminding her that her Wednesday column was crowing about what a big Remain win it was going to be. And she's calling other people spineless...

fixed. Though it makes no difference to what I said, as far as I can tell.

Yeah I just noticed that. I assume it's the journalist who makes that decision to turn off comments? Or would it be the editor?

From the Guardian: Don’t adjust your screen now. Here’s Ian Paisley Junior, son of the founder of the Democratic Unionist Party, advising his constituents and others to take up the opportunity of securing an Irish passport.

— Ian Paisley (@ianpaisleymp)
June 24, 2016

My advice is if you are entitled to second passport then take one. I sign off lots of applications for constituents https://t.co/oWoiVIFF8A

Under the terms of the 1998 Belfast Agreement – sometimes known as the Good Friday Agreement – anyone born in Northern Ireland has the right to be citizens of both the United Kingdom and Ireland.

In the wake of the Brexit vote, which was supported by a minority of Northern Ireland voters, there have been reports of a small surge in the number of people there applying for Irish passports, including in areas with a high number of unionist voters.

What would Ian Paisley senior, who died in September 2014, make of the post referendum landscape?

I didn't realise it was that bad :(

France's economy is pretty fucked. California overtook it last week:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-california-economy-idUKKCN0Z32K2

One state. Doing better than France, which is a big country.

To be fair France has done better in the last 18 months - some growth - but it stagnated for three years before that.

Comments on that Toynbee article are open now. Quick before they are moderated.

Pigs fly, snow at the banks of the Styx, sky turns blood red, etc. People on the Shankill queuing up to be Irish citizens.

I've a friend of 6 years from NI who hasn't given a strong opinion on the ni/Ireland issue in the time I've known him. Until yesterday, when he decided NI should go back to Ireland. Interesting times.

Whether the article 50 bomb gets dropped tomorrow, in three months, or never, the situation is a pretty well engineered land-grab inside the conservative party.
The impression I got yesterday is that the Brexiteers may have hoped to win, but definitely didn't expect Cameron to make a dive for the emergency door so quickly. They were expecting him to carry on long enough to at least start the brexit negotiations, and with him gone they really don't have a clue how to proceed. Cameron could have negotiated from the position of "look guys, I tried, I was on your side but my country has spoken" and built on the concessions he had already got.
With someone new taking over, those concessions are probably off the table, so the negotiation is back to square one. Going into that meeting as someone who actively campaigned for exit does not do one's bargaining position any favours.
In the long term, the exit agreement is likely to be largely similar to the concessions Cameron already got, which were derided as not good enough, but it is hard to see anyone coming up with anything markedly better without sacrificing some necessary trade.
It looks as if we will end up in a similar position to now, but with the potential for Scotland gone, the Labour Party demoralised by the loss of a vast number of their core supporters to UKIP, and a resurgent Thatcherite, Eurosceptic wing of the tory party in charge.
That part of the party can't really believe its luck. They've shown they don't like big bureaucracy and unelected officials, and are good at judging and influencing the popular mood on such matters.
Many of them are on record saying that the the NHS "needs reform", and have friends in the private medical insurance industry.
This is not going to be fun.

Tom Watson for Labour leader?

He's not female, but he's not a Londoner or a public schoolboy.

Oh, and a general election by Christmas.
Whoever ends up in charge of the party, they will want to prove that they have the will of the people, and they know that a sock with a face drawn on it could win against Mr Corbyn in the present climate.

BBC breakfast news played that clip of the cyclist calling Boris a cunt un-bleeped just now as part of a montage.

Fuck that comfortably off liberal middle class bullshit, I grew up in a council house in Barking and fucking Dagenham - a place which incidentally had one of the biggest turnouts for Brexit in London. I'll deal with my anger however the fuck I want.

They can eat flags when NI does not get the eu cash from Westminster instead.

Played like a fiddle by their middle class masters.

I'm still royally fucking pissed off about the outcome, a copious amount of Scottish whiskey, Spanish wine and Belgian beers didn't fix it.

The UK has been "home" for the best part of my adult life and I've been away for two years with the intention of coming back one day. Not so sure about that now

What will be the requirements for getting a Scottish Passport?

resurgent Thatcherite, Eurosceptic wing of the tory party>

Thatcher was very pro-europe. Other than that, I think this is a well reasoned account of what might be in store for us.

a sock with a face drawn on it could win against Mr Corbyn in the present climate.

Yeah I really hope the Labour party can sort its shit out.

@Hefty, I find Tom Watson a bit uninspiring, I think we need a fresh face. He's also a bit tainted by the way he went after Tory MPs with the baseless paedo allegations. If we're talking well known figures, Angela Eagle was great that time she did PMQs, but I'd definitely prefer someone newish to parliament.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/im-devastated-its-unbelievable-brits-in-spain-react-to-brexit

Had he got round to getting his postal vote in on time, he would have opted to remain. Yet if he were still in England, he would have voted to leave the EU.

For fucks sake!

Pretty much, yes.

Yes, agreed.
I was thinking of the later Thatcher years, not the jumper with the flags all over it.

My understanding was Tusk said that all concessions agreed in Jan are already off the table and will not be happening.

There was an interesting guy on the radio last night from the Indian government, who is responsible for trade deals and stuff. he said the usual stuff about emerging markets and technology and entering the world stage and said that obviously due to the history and the common language, the UK would continue to be a major partner of many Indian companies.
Then he went on to say, "Of course, one of the major reasons for the UK being such a popular trading partner is that it gives India an English-speaking gateway into a single market of 500 million potential customers. It will be a great shame for india to lose access via the UK into the European market."
After a slight pause, he said "But there has always been a very special bond between the peoples of India and Scotland..."